ASA Supermax Primo 12" vs KP23 - beer league seeds and bombs :/

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  1. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    so...after my initial "lukewarmness" to the asa kp23, i took it, and the 12" supermax primo, out for some tee work today...hitting a good mix of bp52+, 52 spinrs and a few dudley 52/300s, and mixed in 10 of the harder stuff (2 - 44/375s, 2 green/yellow spinrs, 2 rockets and 2 worth platinum bp balls and 2 classic m's)...

    kp23 had 80'ish cuts on it already, primo was straight outta the wrapper...my previous feedback about the miken/worth 12" barrels still stands...kinda.

    outta the wrapper, the primo hit very well...i didn't feel the supermax EL to the extent i thought i would (more on that later)...same tingy, glassy sound on everything. basically, my initial reaction to the kp23 the other day but better distance (i attribute this to a number of things - watching the bat through the ball on contact (something i'm back in the extremely bad habit of not doing...i think this is my #1 issue when i hit inconsistently), tee placement, etc.)

    once i got the initial cuts in, the bat did all the work...hitting everything very well...i like the feel of hitting the 52s better than hitting the harder stuff...which makes sense since they are designed to hit 52s...at the end of each round, it's not like there was only 44s lying over the fence, it was a good mix of everything...it was like an easter egg hunt out there :/...i put 2 rounds of 36 on it before i went back to the kp to "open it up" and do a green/red apple comparison...

    back to the supermax EL vs the kp23 (0.5oz EL?)...i have this really bad habit of taking bp AFTER a workout...but i feel like it loosens me up so whatever...anyway, i felt okay during the 1st two rounds with the primo but when i went back to the kp, i definitely felt the difference in the lighter EL...

    with about 100 cuts on it at this point, the kp was starting to lose that glassy, tingy sound and i was definitely hitting better than the other day. barrel felt less stiff but i can't attest to ss since this is all tee work :/...i was easily putting the ball in the same range with the primo and not feeling like the 12" barrel worked against me...if that makes sense...

    bottom line here is that i think the KP23 and Primo are definitely gtg. do i feel like the bigger barrel asa offerings from miken/worth may be a bit better? maybe but i think that's more of a feel/feedback thing as opposed to strictly a performance measurement...i didn't hit last year's KP23 but i am really liking this year's..hit either with confidence, people.

    or you can hit an anarchy ;)

    that is all....carry on.
     
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  2. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    side note...since this seems to be a thing (someones selling the 14" with a rattle as well). when i got it, no rattle...once i unwrapped the damned thing, the primo had a nice, pebble rattle :/...and since that ****ing place that smashes sports doesn't honor returns once the wrapper's been removed, i own it :/...not that i think it's gonna be an issue but wtf?
     
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  3. dunkky

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    no videos, didn't happen.. lol They wouldn't take it if its OOW? that is lame, but i thought you go through manuf, not store.

    forgot to ask, put down your anarchy for them?
     
  4. hitless45

    hitless45 Addicted to Softballfans

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    This also is why I'm eeh about worth/miken, that pebble rattle niw has been well documented for the last several year.. i guess at that point (unwrapped) game it if you can and bp it till it bust and hope your return doesn't come with a rattle..
     
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  5. chile

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    I could
     
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    I unwrapped a rattler Miken and called them.

    They asked me to ship it in for repairs or they’d offer me any mainline bat in exchange but without warranty. I went the repair route.

    It took a couple weeks, but the bat came back good to go with warranty obviously still valid.
     
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  7. bird25

    bird25 34/30 Club #25

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    What weight did you get in the primo?
     
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    Patiently awaiting for Anarchy dump..
     
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  9. chile

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    does the rattle cause any problems in the future? Could it be just the glue epoxy that is loose inside the barrel.
     
  11. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    it won't cause any problems...unless an ump decides to be a **** about it.
     
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    Smash it against a telephone post and just send it back as a warranty claim then?
     
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    they should honor that with no question asked, i think chille is demanding to get a replacement without warranty claim which he has a right to do so since he got a defective stick. that is my understanding
     
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    if he smashes it against a telephone pole, he will get a no warranty bat as a return.
     
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    hitless45 Addicted to Softballfans

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    This is in fact what worrh/miken say it is glue/epoxy ( don't worry bout it), problem would be as Chile says only if an ump wants to call it out for a rattle..
     
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  16. Bagz

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    What kind of distance are you getting off the tee with 52s on primo sm and kp23 asa with 100 hits on them if you dont mind me asking? Just curious because all we can get in right now are cage bombs on a pocket radar with the great midwest weather lol. Spring needs to get here quick!
     
  17. chile

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    Easily in the 280' range...more than a few well past that. I plan to hit them both some more soon.
     
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  18. jkwoody22

    jkwoody22 League ball huer

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    Did you feel a difference in the handles, I read the primos have sensiflex and the kp has f2p which I believe is flexier, I can never figure out their handles, same with worth flex 100 supposed to be stiffer than flex 50 according to to them
     
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  19. chile

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    honestly didn't notice...
     
  20. Bagz

    Bagz Bang!!

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    Hit the new primo today. This bat is no joke! Primo supermax is gonna be a beast! Hitting 52s 90-94 consistently off tee with pocket radar(not bad for an old man lol). I did hit some classic M balls (which i don't recommend) and reached 99-102 on radar ..Ii will hit some live pitches next week. If you like short barrel ASA bats with a nice and smooth 1oz el go get you one!
     
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  21. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    if you're going to hit anything harder than 52s, don't press your luck....just saying :/
     
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  22. Bagz

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    I agree! Anything else harder than 52/300 = dead bat!!
     
  23. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    My KP23 is almost gone in under 200 cuts...4" seam and a shark tooth starting... Maybe 40-50 with classic m's and rockets (mostly classic m's)
     
  24. Bagz

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    That sucks!!
    I hit 5 Ms and got a small 1 inch paint crack spiral but not deep at all to effect it. I have 50 hits maybe tops on the primo sm. 52s only from here on out!
     
  25. chile

    chile Bad Ape

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    yeah, i knew i was pressing my luck but figured i hadn't broken a bat in a loooong time. my primo is good so i'll just leave it alone now :/. wish our league would switch to 52s...unsure what their reluctance is...other than having to spend money on new balls...which shouldn't be an issue since their field maintenance is absolutely atrocious
     
  26. Bagz

    Bagz Bang!!

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    Yea i knew i was pressing my luck too but i didn't think 5 Ms would hurt it, but guess i was wrong unfortunately.
    Your league needs to get with times for sure. I guess feel lucky you get to still hit rocks you just need dual stamps for that league so you dont tear up the asa only bats nowadays.
     
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  27. chile

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    yeah, guess i'll just have to go back to anarchies already...
     
  28. Bagz

    Bagz Bang!!

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    That's probably your best bet. Those white red 17 juggys kill those 44s if you find one cheap. Just another option for you.
     
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  29. chile

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    i am looking for one of those ;)
     
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    Goid idea...the all red ovl should be closely the same they just take awhile to break in is all but when they do they are fire
     
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