Other nfhs ruling

billinvt

Part Time Player
batter gets a base hit, rounds first and slowly walks back to first. Pitcher receives ball and steps on rubber as the runner still has not returned to first.

1.)is the baserunner out?
2.) or would "no pitch" be called to allow her to return to base?
3.) or does the runner just need to be on base as the pitch is being released?

Input is appreciated.
 

eddieq

The Great and Powerful Q
answer 2............

/thread

And fwiw, that's the same in all of the associations (ASA, USSSA, PONY, etc). The umpire should hold up the pitcher until all runners who were legitimately off a base have returned under the rules.
 

Gulf Coast Blue

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batter gets a base hit, rounds first and slowly walks back to first. Pitcher receives ball and steps on rubber as the runner still has not returned to first.

1.)is the baserunner out?
2.) or would "no pitch" be called to allow her to return to base?
3.) or does the runner just need to be on base as the pitch is being released?

Input is appreciated.

None of the above.......you are looking for a Gotcha on the lookback rule.

1. No the runner is not out.

2. The Umpire should not allow a pitch to be thrown until all offensive and defensive players are in their proper positions. And there is no "rubber" in softball......it is a pitchers plate.

3. Probably the most correct.....but as stated above.....the umpire should not allow action to take place until everyone is in their legal positions.

Joel
 

RDD15

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And if anyone (OP, the ump of your game, whomever) thinks that option #1 is the case, then you have just fundamentally changed the way the game of softball is played. That would be flat-out absurd.
 

irishmafia

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batter gets a base hit, rounds first and slowly walks back to first. Pitcher receives ball and steps on rubber as the runner still has not returned to first.

1.)is the baserunner out?
2.) or would "no pitch" be called to allow her to return to base?
3.) or does the runner just need to be on base as the pitch is being released?

Input is appreciated.

Stepping on the PITCHER'S PLATE is irrelevant.
 
None of the above.......you are looking for a Gotcha on the lookback rule.

1. No the runner is not out.

2. The Umpire should not allow a pitch to be thrown until all offensive and defensive players are in their proper positions. And there is no "rubber" in softball......it is a pitchers plate.

3. Probably the most correct.....but as stated above.....the umpire should not allow action to take place until everyone is in their legal positions.

Joel

why,as long as they are in fair territory(except catcher),why does the ump want to regulate defensive posistions,or even tell the team where to put them...:confused:
 

irishmafia

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why,as long as they are in fair territory(except catcher),why does the ump want to regulate defensive posistions,or even tell the team where to put them...:confused:

Confused? Not exactly the word I would use. Where did Joel state that anyone was telling anybody where they need to play?

THE RULES prescribe the location of the participating players, not the umpire. But it is the umpire's responsibility to insure all players abide by the rule before allowing the pitcher to continue.
 

TEX1959

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2. The Umpire should not allow a pitch to be thrown until all offensive and defensive players are in their proper positions. And there is no "rubber" in softball......it is a pitchers plate.
Joel

think this is what Bob was talking about.
not the umpires job to make sure that the shortstop is between 2nd and 3rd, left fielder in left field, etc
if the pitcher wants to pitch with the defense out of position, thats his/her choice, or mistake
 

irishmafia

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think this is what Bob was talking about.
not the umpires job to make sure that the shortstop is between 2nd and 3rd, left fielder in left field, etc
if the pitcher wants to pitch with the defense out of position, thats his/her choice, or mistake

And the statement in question clearly noted the offense, also.
 

EsqUmp

Manager
Let's consider umpire mechanics. Both umpires ought to have held position until the pitcher has the ball back in the circle and all runners had returned to their bases. Only at that point should the base umpire go to his position, followed by the plate umpire returning behind the plate.

In this case, if there were no runners on and the batter got a base hit, the plate umpire should have trailed the batter-runner or at least come out in front of the pitcher's circle. I've seen pitchers attempt to pitch before the umpire was ready. But I've never seen a pitcher pitch when the umpire was standing in directly in front of her in the infield.
 
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