I brought out some niw 44/375s I've been storing inside since they were legal, and they're not much worse than the pro ms. Take away the tas, and the plain 44/375 are pretty similar.
The thing I find most interesting is that the early pro ms were reported to be golf balls. Now that they're available for use outside of the conference, they're garbage.
The entire 240 ploy makes no sense to me. They made this big fuss about 220s going away only to allow them indefinitely in all USSSA play that isn't conference, which is 98% of the softball world.
If they really want to change the game, change the ball.
That's interesting. Not sure I've noticed playing a Pro M ball, but we play with Classic Ms, and they've seems a lot more dead this year and even late last year.The Pro M balls are surprisingly crappy. Last weekend I played coed, and we ended up with a ZN classic M. I hit that ball harder and further than I've ever hit a Pro M. I'm no fan of classic M's either, but I've just been really disappointed with the performance of Pro Ms lately. They turn to pillows in the heat.
The only thing I don't like about the 240 bats is that they fail compression so fast.
IDK why USSSA went away from the classic +. That's a better ball for any weather conditions, and there's less incentive to use shaved/altered bats.
Same for me on the balls. They sound dead and actually bounce, so imo people used that to try and get rid of them. Sure, you hit the booming monster shots with your failing bat in spring when it's 55, but in the summer you can't hit crap. Yeah, your garbage infielders don't miss as many balls that hug the ground, until they don't. Then they miss the next five because of it finally jumping.If it were up to me I'd make the C+ the only available ball in USSSA other than stadium balls for use on large fields. The C+ ball works just fine, and I don't know why it never got more popular. It's way less weather sensitive than other balls, doesn't damage bats, and won't encourage as much bat shaving.
I also agree that USSSA allowing 220s indefinitely was dumb. I personally have enough 220s to easily last the rest of my life, and I know other people do too.
You'll never convince me that the gold dot extremes from a few years ago were ever legal. They out fly the new pro comp ones, zns, and other brands by fifty feet.That's interesting. Not sure I've noticed playing a Pro M ball, but we play with Classic Ms, and they've seems a lot more dead this year and even late last year.
You'll never convince me that the gold dot extremes from a few years ago were ever legal. They out fly the new pro comp ones, zns, and other brands by fifty feet.
The ProM's it all comes down to which batch. I've heard stories of major players going through the buckets before they play to separate out the "good batch" balls from the "bad batch." I was in KC over 4th of July weekend and had one game at 330 saturday between two B teams. I brought out a bucket that had been in the air conditioning all day, those two teams hit 10 HR between them in the first two innings and only hit one in the last 5.
Pro M's when they first came out were flying stupidly well, then they went to crap, now some are ok and some are horrible. Way too temp and humidity dependent. Hence why they fly like crap in Viera.
Yeah . Imagine going up the middleIs that a 240 mph bat?
You want a high compression ball, because it forces the barrel of the bat to compress for it's trampoline effect. This is for composites, if we're taking wood or singlewalls it's different, but you need a ball hard enough to drive itself into the bat to cause it to snap back launching the ball like a trampoline.This is probably a topic for a another thread... but I just don't get it....
Why do they say a bat with less compression hits the ball farther, because of the "trampoline effect," but a ball with more compression will go further?
Why is it that high compression on both wouldn't? I haven't seen a clear reason for it.
Maybe only one or the other can have high compression?
There's some truth to that, like jbo said, a 52/300 should perform better than a 44/400 with a wood bat.Maybe only one or the other can have high compression?
In my experience that isn't the case (off a tee), in ~30F weather. My bro science/feel says the 40/525 is turning into a 25/700, and the 52/300 is turning into a 40/525.In the cold, a 40/525 is going to be better than the 52 for the two or three swings the bat lasts lol.
In my experience that isn't the case (off a tee), in ~30F weather. My bro science/feel says the 40/525 is turning into a 25/700, and the 52/300 is turning into a 40/525.
That may be your bat then. As tw said, it'll be crazy hard, and you may just be reaching that over flexing stage we mentioned being an outlier earlier. It's much less of an outlier when hitting a croquet ball. LolIn my experience that isn't the case (off a tee), in ~30F weather. My bro science/feel says the 40/525 is turning into a 25/700, and the 52/300 is turning into a 40/525.
My guess is USSSA doesn't use the C+ bc it's too similar to the USA/ASA ball and they want to be distinguished from that. They'll just say "bc it's not what the players want" though.
100% this is what I think. They are the association that says you walk on three balls and strike out on two instead of saying you start 1-1 like everyone else.My guess is USSSA doesn't use the C+ bc it's too similar to the USA/ASA ball and they want to be distinguished from that. They'll just say "bc it's not what the players want" though.