No offense taken, I was hoping not to offend you actually. BTW, the scn1b is probably the favorite on the forum. Not available new, but a used 30/20 could be bought for around $130+/-. If I were choosing, I'd do a good used 1B over a new 8B, but that does give you no warranty and exposes you to a little risk. My personal experience buying used from the message boards has been nothing but positive, knock on wood.