New bat company??

[RustyShakleford]

Weighting issues are not consistent though. You just can't throw out that variable. An endloaded Miken will be weighted differently than an endloaded Easton. A balanced Demarini will be different than a balanced Combat. This is why people say find the bat that fits your swing. We're also talking about minor differences too. Not like a Walmart bat compared to a top tier bat.

 

[Hiltz]

Again - if you hold weighting issues constant, wouldn't you want the "best" bat even if you suck. I don't understand how a worse bat, with the same weighting parameters, would be better.

Barrel length, sweetspot location, stiff vs soft barrel, stiff vs flexy handle, feedback, hot out of wrapper vs extended break-in and durable, etc. Lots more to consider than weighting.

Teammates hit my Eastons and hate them because they feel so stiff and give them so much feedback. I love my Eastons because they feel so stiff and give me so much feedback.

 

[MBplayer]

I was interested in viewing the videos, if they’re offered in horizontal and not vertical orientation, but you don't have a facebook page like you said. You have a closed group meaning people have to be a member to view the videos. Nobody got time for that.

You should post the videos or just the watch='s if you're concerned and not worry about this thread being buried in no man’s land because none of the people this forum frequently scumbags others over for have products out, or coming out, that you compete with. Unless they do in which case you’re screwed anyway. Thanks. :thumb:

For your first paragraph sorry we are a closed group but that's just the way it is. Your very welcome to join and watch the videos. For the second paragraph I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you meant?

Thx MB

 

[jgerb88]

JoeBraga im just going to go ahead and answer your question in the most simple way I can think of.

It's ALWAYS the Indian never the arrow. Like someone else said all top end bats perform pretty much the same it's all about feel.

 

[MJL 00]

^^^ ya pretty much. It's person feel/prefence etc. IMO

 

[kspec24]

Put me down for the R in R&D. Do you have a demo program?

 

[MBplayer]

We are currently working on pushing out more demo bats for as many people that we can. As for a rep program that has not been completely developed as of yet. I do have a ton of people showing interest and will be contacting the ones I feel are genuine and just truly wanting to give this an honest shot and if they like it help spread the word.

Feel free to send me a pm if you are interested thanks.

MB

 

[Bobbyday82]

I intend to buy a 27oz model once they release. I liked the feel that much! Any word when these will be available to the general public?

 

[kspec24]

We are currently working on pushing out more demo bats for as many people that we can. As for a rep program that has not been completely developed as of yet. I do have a ton of people showing interest and will be contacting the ones I feel are genuine and just truly wanting to give this an honest shot and if they like it help spread the word.

Feel free to send me a pm if you are interested thanks.

MB

PM send brother.

 

[MBplayer]

I intend to buy a 27oz model once they release. I liked the feel that much! Any word when these will be available to the general public?

At this time we do not plan to have bats ready to sell until the start of 2017. If things stay on track which so far they have. Stay tuned to the facebook page for a contest of sorts coming though. This may or may not get you a prototype stick early.

MB

 

[scuderia]

For your first paragraph sorry we are a closed group but that's just the way it is. Your very welcome to join and watch the videos. For the second paragraph I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you meant?

Thx MB

Bruce Hornsby over here.

When I'm trying to get people interested in something I'm selling these are the first 3 steps I take.
1.) Don't post any links, images or videos and keep info to a vague minimum.
2.) Make it very hard to find the info, images, videos I do have. (Especially for people who aren't computer savvy, don't have facebook accounts, etc...)
3.) And most importantly: make damn sure if they do manage to find my page/fb-group/site/whatever it's not easily accessible!!!

And PARA#2 is perfectly clear... post the ****ing video links. If you're confused by the watch='s bit it's a way to post youtube links without them appearing as links or embedding in the body of a post. EG: watch?v=kbmBx_ltmJA This way people can and them to the end of youtube.com/ and view the video(s).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmBx_ltmJA

If they're embedded in facebook right click on the video when it's playing, click on show video url (firefox), copy and paste said url. EG: http://www.facebook.com/fiawec/videos/1098772756845844/ I think chrome is different but some things will never change.

That'll be $79.95. Bills in the post, and tell the Range I said "what up!". You're welcome; Snikt!

 

[fuzzy2651]

I don't do the facebook. I'm a grown man

 

[MJL 00]

Bruce Hornsby over here.

When I'm trying to get people interested in something I'm selling these are the first 3 steps I take.
1.) Don't post any links, images or videos and keep info to a vague minimum.
2.) Make it very hard to find the info, images, videos I do have. (Especially for people who aren't computer savvy, don't have facebook accounts, etc...)
3.) And most importantly: make damn sure if they do manage to find my page/fb-group/site/whatever it's not easily accessible!!!

And PARA#2 is perfectly clear... post the ****ing video links. If you're confused by the watch='s bit it's a way to post youtube links without them appearing as links or embedding in the body of a post. EG: watch?v=kbmBx_ltmJA This way people can and them to the end of youtube.com/ and view the video(s).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmBx_ltmJA

If they're embedded in facebook right click on the video when it's playing, click on show video url (firefox), copy and paste said url. EG: http://www.facebook.com/fiawec/videos/1098772756845844/ I think chrome is different but some things will never change.

That'll be $79.95. Bills in the post, and tell the Range I said "what up!". You're welcome; Snikt!

That's good stuff right there

 

[fuzzy2651]

Bruce Hornsby over here.

When I'm trying to get people interested in something I'm selling these are the first 3 steps I take.
1.) Don't post any links, images or videos and keep info to a vague minimum.
2.) Make it very hard to find the info, images, videos I do have. (Especially for people who aren't computer savvy, don't have facebook accounts, etc...)
3.) And most importantly: make damn sure if they do manage to find my page/fb-group/site/whatever it's not easily accessible!!!

I think I'm picking up a touch of sarcasm

 

[single wally]

Scud launched, direct hit!

 

[MBplayer]

Again sorry it seems so difficult to find our videos and pics. We cannot post videos or links here to my knowledge as its against the rules. If it's not and I am wrong please a mod correct me and give us the ok but until then we do not intend to step on softball fans toes in any way.

Thanks for all the interest on this new bat from everyone.

MB

 

[MJL 00]

And to make it EASIER for the non savy computer people and non FB users, will get on youtube this weekend. Then all you have to do is go onto youtube, search Anarchy Bat Company, click on the where its says Awakening and JACKPOT good to go...

 

[MBplayer]

Yes we can throw some up there for sure.

Thx Mike

MB

 

[fuzzy2651]

Awesome guys, can't wait to see them!

 

[MJL 00]

Now no making fun of the goofy old guy

 

[MBplayer]

Got some videos up on you tube now fellas. More to come. Search for the channel Anarchy Bat Co.

Again I won't post links as I am nt sure if I can.

Thx a lot and enjoy

MB

 

[vlcmstnaz]

You mean to tell me Monsta doesn't own all rights to anything in the general shape and / or utility of a bat? They didn't invent the 2piece bat or the concept of an insert that limits barrel flex? What?

 

[tumblebug]

Our bats are made overseas along with 80% of other providers. As for where they are made, that is our trade information which remains ABC proprietary information and any manufacturing facility doing business are bound by manufacturing agreements not to disclose other clients confidential information. I can't tell you where any other companies bats are produced as any reputable manufacturer will not disclose this type of information. similarities exist in all bats and while upon appearance ours may appear similar to other companies, there are significant changes from our prototypes to what will eventually be our production models.
At their root, all non linear design bats are of a similar make up. What makes them all different is the materials used and the methods of employing said materials. From Louisville to demarini and combat and all others employing a non linear design,there are commonalities that exist. Our methods of material used and methods of employing said materials are just as different as any of the aforementioned companies are to one another. What makes a bat sound is no more than the aforementioned materials interaction between one another. Our bat sounds as unique as any other of the companies using their own unique process to produce the best products for you our potential end user.

per ABC R and D Specialist

Just a couple of quick questions:

Perhaps I'm missing something, what is an "all linear design"?

The components in a resin over fiber composite are fairly limited, how are the materials different?

Composite production processes are a fairly mature technology, How are the processes unique?

I know that keeping proprietary information close to the vest is important, especially if the intellectual property is not protectable. However, making vague claims to the uniqueness of the product begs for clarification. Unique is not a selling point if it is a mystery.

 

[MBplayer]

Just a couple of quick questions:

Perhaps I'm missing something, what is an "all linear design"?

The components in a resin over fiber composite are fairly limited, how are the materials different?

Composite production processes are a fairly mature technology, How are the processes unique?

I know that keeping proprietary information close to the vest is important, especially if the intellectual property is not protectable. However, making vague claims to the uniqueness of the product begs for clarification. Unique is not a selling point if it is a mystery.

I think you may have mis read we did not say an all linear design but rather a non linear design. The difference between us and all the other companies who make these non linear designed bats is the type of limiting device used in the bat itself.

Hope this helps.

Thx MB

 

[vahntitrio]

Just a couple of quick questions:

Perhaps I'm missing something, what is an "all linear design"?

The components in a resin over fiber composite are fairly limited, how are the materials different?

Composite production processes are a fairly mature technology, How are the processes unique?

I know that keeping proprietary information close to the vest is important, especially if the intellectual property is not protectable. However, making vague claims to the uniqueness of the product begs for clarification. Unique is not a selling point if it is a mystery.

The feature of a non-linear bat is there is basically 2 separate points of contact, the outer barrel and some sort of inner device. The outer barrel is one wall, and will have an expected force to deflection curve. Once you reach the inner barrel, you will get a completely different curve.

Now no bat company is going to say this, but if I had to make a wager I would say this allows them to sort of cheat the ABI standard. Using the roller might affect the outer wall, but it might not do a thing to the inner barrel. So when they roll bats for testing, they are still testing a 0 hit inner barrel. Real hits though with start to add flex to the inner barrel, and my guess is if you took most of these non-linear bats and sent them back in for testing after thousands of real hits, they would probably fail.

This is pure speculation, but it would be my way of trying to cheat the standard. I know I'm not unique in trying to reason things out that way either.

 

[tumblebug]

I think you may have mis read we did not say an all linear design but rather a non linear design. The difference between us and all the other companies who make these non linear designed bats is the type of limiting device used in the bat itself.

Hope this helps.

Thx MB

Yep, I misspoke. Let me ask the question differently. Starting with the verifiable premise that the historisis of all bats are already nonlinear, as is the ball, what makes your design nonlinear? Why is a limiting device necessary and how does that change the overall performance in a way that is advantageous? Making the bat softer (lower spring rate) works if the flexural response of the system more closely matches but I don't see how this works with some sort of limiter keeping them different. It's been a few years since I did this work myself, this is new to me.

 

[tumblebug]

The feature of a non-linear bat is there is basically 2 separate points of contact, the outer barrel and some sort of inner device. The outer barrel is one wall, and will have an expected force to deflection curve. Once you reach the inner barrel, you will get a completely different curve.

Now no bat company is going to say this, but if I had to make a wager I would say this allows them to sort of cheat the ABI standard. Using the roller might affect the outer wall, but it might not do a thing to the inner barrel. So when they roll bats for testing, they are still testing a 0 hit inner barrel. Real hits though with start to add flex to the inner barrel, and my guess is if you took most of these non-linear bats and sent them back in for testing after thousands of real hits, they would probably fail.

This is pure speculation, but it would be my way of trying to cheat the standard. I know I'm not unique in trying to reason things out that way either.

You are describing a multiwall bat. More specifically the Power Arch system on the old Anderson RockeTech. However, we did not describe the effect as nonlinear. It feels like something is missing in your description. I need to cogitate on this one.

 

[RustyShakleford]

If I'm not mistaken the Power Arch still had part of the inner wall in contact with the outer wall, correct? Non linear bats have a gap between the the inner wall and the outer wall. At least that's the way I understand it.

 

[tumblebug]

If I'm not mistaken the Power Arch still had part of the inner wall in contact with the outer wall, correct? Non linear bats have a gap between the the inner wall and the outer wall. At least that's the way I understand it.

The Power Arch had a series of arches that touched at the peaks of the arch. The connected surface area was minimal but allowed for smooth flexure at the interface and maintained a higher compression test result. Be that as it may, the DeMarini Ultimare Distance had a continuous gap. I believe that is why it got a better performance result than the Worth EST.

What this all means, at first blush, is that bat companies have relearned how to cheat.

 

[RustyShakleford]

The Power Arch had a series of arches that touched at the peaks of the arch. The connected surface area was minimal but allowed for smooth flexure at the interface and maintained a higher compression test result. Be that as it may, the DeMarini Ultimare Distance had a continuous gap. I believe that is why it got a better performance result than the Worth EST.

What this all means, at first blush, is that bat companies have relearned how to cheat.

It is sort of like the multi-layer balls that have since been banned. I do think ASA has figured out how to test these bats to make sure they do not exceed the 98MPH BBS though. Not just compression testing but the actual certification testing.

The main feature in all of the non linear bats is some sort of internal limiting device. Like the discs in the Zs and Combats. I believe the Demarini, Monstas, and others use a foam insert inside inner barrel.