NSA nsa rule?
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IrishBlue
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Not sure of NSA but most rule sets allow the batter runner to follow any path they want to their base until a play is being made on them. At that stage they should go directly towards the base they want to achieve.
In the description the batter runner hasn't done anything wrong, it's not pretty but it's fine. His team and coach will give him a hard enough time.
Not sure of NSA but most rule sets allow the batter runner to follow any path they want to their base until a play is being made on them. At that stage they should go directly towards the base they want to achieve.
In the description the batter runner hasn't done anything wrong, it's not pretty but it's fine. His team and coach will give him a hard enough time.
Baseline and basepath are 2 completely separate things. The baseline is a direct line between 2 bases and has little to do with much in the rules other than being foul lines between home and 1st and 3rd. Basepath is set by the runner and can be literally anywhere on the field. The only time a runner is restricted to 3' either side of the "basepath" is when a play is being attempted on them, and at that point the basepath is defined as a straight line between their current position and the base the runner is attempting to advance to.
IrishBlue
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What he said
Comp is right. Batter can run in any manner they like to get to the base they are going to with only a couple of restrictions:
1: When a play is being made on them they must go directly towards their intended base without deviating more than 3 foot. This is their base path
2: They cannot run the bases in reverse order.
3: They cannot run the bases in order to confuse the defence (I think that this is limited to the recent ISF updated rules though and is a direct result to a trick play run a while back)
4: He cannot "Give up" and enter dead ball area and then return.
I have seen a batter mash the ball deep, run to 1st and slide into 1st. Pop up and realise they can still advance and run to the pitching rubber and slide in (He got confused) and then run into 2nd base and slide into 2nd before the ball came back to the infield. He probably could have made it all the way around if he hadn't been such a noob. 3 nice slides though and surprised the hell out of the pitcher.
Comp is right. Batter can run in any manner they like to get to the base they are going to with only a couple of restrictions:
1: When a play is being made on them they must go directly towards their intended base without deviating more than 3 foot. This is their base path
2: They cannot run the bases in reverse order.
3: They cannot run the bases in order to confuse the defence (I think that this is limited to the recent ISF updated rules though and is a direct result to a trick play run a while back)
4: He cannot "Give up" and enter dead ball area and then return.
I have seen a batter mash the ball deep, run to 1st and slide into 1st. Pop up and realise they can still advance and run to the pitching rubber and slide in (He got confused) and then run into 2nd base and slide into 2nd before the ball came back to the infield. He probably could have made it all the way around if he hadn't been such a noob. 3 nice slides though and surprised the hell out of the pitcher.
BretMan
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Well, it's not illegal.
I'm sure there where lot's of cries that he was "out of the baseline". As already noted, that rule doesn't apply here. It only applies when a fielder, with possession of the ball, is attempting to put out the runner.
There were probably a few more cries that the batter had "given himself up" or "abandoned the bases". That doesn't apply here, either. A runner isn't out for abandoning the bases until he enters a dead ball area (dugout, etc.).
Redfuzzbutt
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I have seen a batter mash the ball deep, run to 1st and slide into 1st. Pop up and realise they can still advance and run to the pitching rubber and slide in (He got confused) and then run into 2nd base and slide into 2nd before the ball came back to the infield. He probably could have made it all the way around if he hadn't been such a noob. 3 nice slides though and surprised the hell out of the pitcher.
That. That is just awesome.
vipvanilla
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What determines a defensive player attempting to make a play on the BR? For example, if someone hits a double, but instead of rounding 2nd to go to 3rd they continue to run out to left field... if an infielder gets the ball and begins to chase them, does that mean the BR has to then run directly toward 3rd? Or does the defense have to be within a certain distance?
BretMan
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It's when the fielder actually makes his attempt to tag the runner. That normally requires the fielder to be close enough to touch the runner.
Usually, that's going to be close to a base, or between bases. Those are fairly easy to judge. On your play with the runner running out to the outfield, the tag attempt might involve some different judgment, but it's still up to the umpire's judgment.
Usually, that's going to be close to a base, or between bases. Those are fairly easy to judge. On your play with the runner running out to the outfield, the tag attempt might involve some different judgment, but it's still up to the umpire's judgment.
A Salt Weapon
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:thumb:, that just paints a funny image, a pickle between the third baseman and the left fielder.
Lets say a runner on 3rd, batter hits the ball at pitcher, pitcher knocks it down but batter dont run thinking he is out anyway then heads to dugout meanwhile runner on third trys to go home, instead of pitcher gettin guy out at first he trys to make a play at the plate, batter then decides to attempt to run to 1st, lets say batters dugout is on third base side, now what?
As long as the batter/runner did not put a foot inside the dugout and doesn't interfere with the play attempt at the plate everything is legal.
IrishBlue
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ISF Rule
The ISF introduced a rule where interference can be ruled if a base runner runs in a manner that could be intended to confuse the defence.
The situation came from a game where the winning run was on 3rd and one out. Batter hits a slow roller to 3rd. The runner holds, batter runner runs through first and then heads off to right field. With the batter runner in no mans land between infield and outfield the 3rd baseman throws the ball to the 2nd baseman. The 2nd baseman runs towards the batter runner, who freezes where they are once the 2nd baseman heads in their direction. Meanwhile the winning run strolls into home.
Yes the defence screwed up and shouldn't have chased the runner but on the back of that behaviour the rule was introduced.
All of that distracts from the op though so we now return you to your normal programming.
The ISF introduced a rule where interference can be ruled if a base runner runs in a manner that could be intended to confuse the defence.
The situation came from a game where the winning run was on 3rd and one out. Batter hits a slow roller to 3rd. The runner holds, batter runner runs through first and then heads off to right field. With the batter runner in no mans land between infield and outfield the 3rd baseman throws the ball to the 2nd baseman. The 2nd baseman runs towards the batter runner, who freezes where they are once the 2nd baseman heads in their direction. Meanwhile the winning run strolls into home.
Yes the defence screwed up and shouldn't have chased the runner but on the back of that behaviour the rule was introduced.
All of that distracts from the op though so we now return you to your normal programming.
A Salt Weapon
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Lol, that's awesome.