Odd play for me

[rhino54]

R1 on second R2 on first 1 out, ball is hit to F4 and he touches second base, then throws the ball to third base. R1 then tires to avoid the tag goes around 3rd base then retreats to second without a play and is called safe. Third baseman touched third just in case. Not sure what the ruling on this would be if it’s not correct already.
(Umpire was very confused as well)

 

[rhino54]

Also this is ASA ball

 

[EAJuggalo]

You've got to tell us what you mean by R1 goes around 3B then retreats. Did the runner go past the base and turn towards home before going back? Did they run out of the baseline to avoid F5 who was trying to make a tag?

 

[rhino54]

Went past the base trying to avoid the tag then went around the bag and went back to second base. Like a round about essentially

 

[ureout]

I would have R2 out at 2nd and R1 out for avoiding the tag at 3B ... runner 1 is allowed to go out of his line of running about the length of arms reach to avoid a tag and to avoid a collision which is umpire judgment

 

[MaverickAH]

R2 could be out for a couple of reasons:

They could've been called out for leaving the base path to avoid the tag.

They also could've been called out for not retouching 3B on their way back to 2B. If R2 truly passed 3B, they're considered to have possessed the base whether they actually touched it or not. In that case they would have had to touch 3B before proceeding back to 2B. I would consider the third baseman's touch of 3B as a live appeal & called R2 out.

 

[Tied to the whipping post]

Ureout has addressed this play correctly - after F4 tagged second base, R2 is out at second base, therefore the force play is now not in play for R1, he must be tagged prior to arriving at 3B. The original post stated that he ran around the base to avoid being tagged, he is out for running out of the basepath (i can't see him running, only know that 3' either side of the base path to avoid a player attempting to make the tag is considered out of the path).

MaverickAH - only missing 1st base is a no out call by the umpiring crew, 3rd base miss would not require runner to tag 3rd IF he had to return to 2nd base.

Suggest you get a real umpire to call these games.

 

[EAJuggalo]

MaverickAH - only missing 1st base is a no out call by the umpiring crew, 3rd base miss would not require runner to tag 3rd IF he had to return to 2nd base.

Suggest you get a real umpire to call these games.

No idea what you mean by "only missing 1st base is a no out call by the umpiring crew." Would you please clarify?
If the runner goes past third base they are assumed to have touched it unless there is an appeal, if that is what the umpire judged is what happened, the runner would be required to touch the base on the way back to second.

 

[ureout]

EA .. if a runner passes by a bag without touching it you are correct it becomes an appeal play by the defense if he were to advance to the next base .. a new twist to original scenario... batter hits a deep fly ball to LF .. runner on 1st advances and rounds by 2B by a step without touching it .. LF makes the catch runner now retreats back to 1st again not touching 2B .. is the runner still responsible for touching the bag on returning to his previous base even though he never touched it originally and if so wouldn't it be an appeal play??

 

[EAJuggalo]

EA .. if a runner passes by a bag without touching it you are correct it becomes an appeal play by the defense if he were to advance to the next base .. a new twist to original scenario... batter hits a deep fly ball to LF .. runner on 1st advances and rounds by 2B by a step without touching it .. LF makes the catch runner now retreats back to 1st again not touching 2B .. is the runner still responsible for touching the bag on returning to his previous base even though he never touched it originally and if so wouldn't it be an appeal play??

Yes, the runner is responsible for touching 2B in your scenario on their way back to 1B. It is an appeal play anytime a runner misses a base but they are assumed to have touched it if there isn't an appeal. So in your scenario above there are actually three live ball appeals that can be made, the initial one at 1B for leaving early on a caught fly ball, and two at 2B, one in each direction.