Softball Pants... Jim Thome Style

The Crimedog

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SukTNutz said:
Thomas Griff and Thome were the only Clean players in this era. You say Thomes production dropped off after testing so didnt Griffs and Thomases but wait they were the same age and had the same type of injuries that a mid 30's man would have in a MLB career.
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Hebrew Hacker said:
Griffey and Thomas are the only two power hitters of that era where I would be shocked if I found out that they juiced.
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mcgriff.bmp


Came in 6'4" 210 lbs.
Left 6'4" 215 lbs.

Clean as they get.
 
Lord7

Lord7

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johnsonrod said:
WOW

cmon, you cant be that naive

can you tell me one legit study that says taking juice without working out has any significant impact on muscle growth?

i can tell you of one that says the opposite. there was a study done in the book death in the locker room, there were 4 groups, 1 that got juice and worked out, 1 that got juice and didnt, 1 that didnt get juice and worked out and 1 that didnt get juice and didnt work out. the group that got juice and didnt work out saw very minimal muscle gains

now dont get me wrong, taking juice and doing nothing will help someone gain WEIGHT, but that will most likley be in the form of water and from estrogen and glycogen retention.

EDIT: forgot to add, as soon as you come off the cycle, you will lose everything and probably be weaker than before the cycle.

please dont talk about stuff you dont know the first thing about and try to chastise those who actually do, it only makes you look silly
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It is clear that you are unaware about the subject you speak. The most basic steroid, Testosterone will add muscle to a person that doesn't work out. Just look at the difference between a man and a woman. You don't lose everything when you come off a cycle. Thats simply not true. And I'm not sure how it fits in the argument about Thome. I understand your desire to sound like you know what you are talking about, but please please don't come in here shooting off myths that you've heard on tv. I too was new to the game at one point in my life, but I took the time to educate myself. Please do the same.
 
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Lord7 said:
It is clear that you are unaware about the subject you speak. The most basic steroid, Testosterone will add muscle to a person that doesn't work out. Just look at the difference between a man and a woman. You don't lose everything when you come off a cycle. Thats simply not true. And I'm not sure how it fits in the argument about Thome. I understand your desire to sound like you know what you are talking about, but please please don't come in here shooting off myths that you've heard on tv. I too was new to the game at one point in my life, but I took the time to educate myself. Please do the same.
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earlier you said there were "many studies" that prove simply taking juice without working out will add muscle.

i say show me one

i showed you one that says the opposite

giving testosterone to a woman would increase their muscle mass simply bc they have so little to begin with, that is not an appropriate comparison.

im talking about a grown, post puberty, man taking juice without working out. is it possible someone would gain muscle without working out, i guess, will the vast vast majority of ppl not gain any significant muscle without working out, absolutely.
 
Lord7

Lord7

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johnsonrod said:
earlier you said there were "many studies" that prove simply taking juice without working out will add muscle.

i say show me one

i showed you one that says the opposite

giving testosterone to a woman would increase their muscle mass simply bc they have so little to begin with, that is not an appropriate comparison.

im talking about a grown, post puberty, man taking juice without working out. is it possible someone would gain muscle without working out, i guess, will the vast vast majority of ppl not gain any significant muscle without working out, absolutely.
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You miss the point with my analogy between a man and a woman. I'm talking levels of testosterone. A man with a level of 1200 will gain strength easier than a man with a level of 200. This is basic stuff. You have not showed me any study and you won't be able to because what you say isn't true. You talked about a study, but that doesn't make it fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid Anabolic means cell growth. You take testosterone and you gain strength. That is why HRT is such a big industry now. What you are missing from the get go is that just because a baseball player doesn't lift weights doesn't mean they aren't exercising their muscles. Hitting an hour a day is a workout and uses muscle. That is one area where the steroids would benefit a hitter. And Thome does in fact do a rigorous workout routine: http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70069
 
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johnsonrod

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Lord7 said:
You miss the point with my analogy between a man and a woman. I'm talking levels of testosterone. A man with a level of 1200 will gain strength easier than a man with a level of 200. This is basic stuff. You have not showed me any study and you won't be able to because what you say isn't true. You talked about a study, but that doesn't make it fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid Anabolic means cell growth. You take testosterone and you gain strength. That is why HRT is such a big industry now. What you are missing from the get go is that just because a baseball player doesn't lift weights doesn't mean they aren't exercising their muscles. Hitting an hour a day is a workout and uses muscle. That is one area where the steroids would benefit a hitter. And Thome does in fact do a rigorous workout routine: http://www.flyingsock.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70069
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simply taking steroids doesnt not having significant effects on muscle mass/strength without working out on a grown man.

there was an SI article years ago when thome was with PHI and they were talking about lifting weights. thome basically said he doesnt work out and that hes just a big strong country boy.

if hitting for an hour a day is such a great workout (sarcasm) then why are there so many guys like sandoval, fielder, ortiz, or guys like pierre, alexei rameriz, pedroia in baseball?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeP8LyPqhlk
if you saw that person would you really say he gets a lot of exercise for his muscles????

if you truly believe that just taking steroids without lifting weights, but taking bp is going to turn a good hitter into a great hitter, i have some snake oil to sell you.
 
Lord7

Lord7

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johnsonrod said:
simply taking steroids doesnt not having significant effects on muscle mass/strength without working out on a grown man.

there was an SI article years ago when thome was with PHI and they were talking about lifting weights. thome basically said he doesnt work out and that hes just a big strong country boy.

if hitting for an hour a day is such a great workout (sarcasm) then why are there so many guys like sandoval, fielder, ortiz, or guys like pierre, alexei rameriz, pedroia in baseball?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeP8LyPqhlk
if you saw that person would you really say he gets a lot of exercise for his muscles????

if you truly believe that just taking steroids without lifting weights, but taking bp is going to turn a good hitter into a great hitter, i have some snake oil to sell you.
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You don't seem to be able to differentiate between being in shape and being strong. Can you think of a better sport (act) specific workout than hitting a ball? Is there something better you can do to perform a specific act other than the act itself? Please use common sense from here on out. Not sure what the video of Pedroia has to do with anything.

As far as just taking steroids and turning a great hitter into an amazing hitter, take a look at Ken Caminiti.
 
guyinpink

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Getting back to OP...

Can't you just take regular pants and roll them? I used to do this in high school. Take the elastic part that would normally go around your ankle, pull it up to just over your knee and fold the rest over.
 
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mjoones

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guyinpink said:
Getting back to OP...

Can't you just take regular pants and roll them? I used to do this in high school. Take the elastic part that would normally go around your ankle, pull it up to just over your knee and fold the rest over.
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wisdom right there
 
SMAC

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SukTNutz said:
Thomas Griff and Thome were the only Clean players in this era. You say Thomes production dropped off after testing so didnt Griffs and Thomases but wait they were the same age and had the same type of injuries that a mid 30's man would have in a MLB career.
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They are haters trying to justify what their hero juicers did. His production dropped off a little bit to age, but not very much.

His last 553 AB's he has 37 HR's @ age 38-39.
 
bryanvw61

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but where can I buy the short pants...

AND

A man who is gracious enough to put all 10 of his nieces and nephews through college, wasn't blowing his money on roids... :) Thome is legit
 
Lord7

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bryanvw61 said:
but where can I buy the short pants...

AND

A man who is gracious enough to put all 10 of his nieces and nephews through college, wasn't blowing his money on roids... :) Thome is legit
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They're not expensive bro. He probably got them for free.
 
MP33

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bryanvw61 said:
but where can I buy the short pants...

AND

A man who is gracious enough to put all 10 of his nieces and nephews through college, wasn't blowing his money on roids... :) Thome is legit
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Test isn't expensive, about 50-60 for a 10 week cycle. Pro athletes generally have a doctor writing prescriptions, so insurance covers it. Putting 10 relatives through college probably cost Thome about 1 year salary, doubtfull all of them went Ivy League.
 
swingnmiss

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Maybe "stickman" wants to look like Jim Thome thinking he'll hit like him..................................I say that style is stupid every time I see it.
 
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