Any Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

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Hagen49

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Here is the situation, single runner on 2nd all other bases are open. The batter hits a slow roller to the pitcher, who fields the ball. The runner on 2nd, who was not advancing yells "go 3!" which causes the pitcher to hesitate. Should there be a call here?
 
Normy

Normy

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So, if the call was verbal interference, would that make the player on second base out? We play quite a few verbal teams that I could see doing this. Just curious.
 
hitless45

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Idk bout y'all but I have yet to witness it called around here on far more than just (GO 3).. but ok it's a rule.. I guess lol
 
Country469

Country469

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generally its a warning given in my experience and that nips it in the bud. But yeah, out, and ejection from game could also occur too.
 
tonys1

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Question on that - Joker said runner (on 2nd) is out, is that because he's the one who yelled it? That would make sense, just looking to confirm. What if it was the base coach or someone on the hitting team's bench? Same call and same outcome, runner is out?

And just to cover every scenario, what if the batter was the one who caused it?
 
fuzzy2651

fuzzy2651

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If it was a base coach or player on the bench, it can be argued they were yelling at the runner on 2nd to go to 3rd. By it being the runner on second yelling it, it was clearly an attempt to interfere with the defense.
 
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markrischard

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tonys1 said:
Question on that - Joker said runner (on 2nd) is out, is that because he's the one who yelled it? That would make sense, just looking to confirm. What if it was the base coach or someone on the hitting team's bench? Same call and same outcome, runner is out?

And just to cover every scenario, what if the batter was the one who caused it?
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If another offensive team member is guilty of interference, the batter is the one who is out.
 
JP21

JP21

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Pitcher should be checking the runner at second anyways prior to going to first. So the runner chirping "Go 3" shouldn't even matter, he should have naturally hesitated.
 
Country469

Country469

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EFFECT Sec. 5. F-K. The infraction constitutes INTERFERENCE. All play stops; the ball
is dead, and the MOST ADVANCED RUNNER IS CALLED OUT. NOTE: In “G,” immediately
above, team members include all other persons who are on the team’s bench.

now, I think the wording we are really looking for here would be verbal obstruction


if this is usssa rule set
 
Joker

Joker

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JP21 said:
Pitcher should be checking the runner at second anyways prior to going to first. So the runner chirping "Go 3" shouldn't even matter, he should have naturally hesitated.
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this has no bearing on the ruling
 
StickCollector

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In a game last night, the ump gave a warning to a second baseman that hit his own glove to fake that he had the ball. This made the runner from first slow down, and he was almost thrown out. Definitely unsportsmanlike like.
 
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Joker,
I read StickCollector and don't interpret anything about a tag, I agree with you that fake tags should be an ejection, but I think he is talking about a fake catch. I have never seen anything that says it's illegal to pretend I caught the ball if I'm no where near any type of tagging motion.
 
StickCollector

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waldo8403 said:
Joker,
I read StickCollector and don't interpret anything about a tag, I agree with you that fake tags should be an ejection, but I think he is talking about a fake catch. I have never seen anything that says it's illegal to pretend I caught the ball if I'm no where near any type of tagging motion.
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No, he did not go to tag the runner, but his actions made the runner slow enough that he was almost thrown out when the ball came back in from right center. I think the ump did the right thing with the warning.
 
smoke

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I don't think that tapping your glove like you caught the ball is any sort of interference. The SS I played with 30 years ago would always tap his glove on a shot up the middle and more often than not the runner on second froze because he didn't know if the ball was caught, and could't score on a single
SMOKE
 
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No, do nothing but wait for the defense to make a play
StickCollector said:
In a game last night, the ump gave a warning to a second baseman that hit his own glove to fake that he had the ball. This made the runner from first slow down, and he was almost thrown out. Definitely unsportsmanlike like.
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That is bull****, much like the OP
 
EAJuggalo

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Country469 said:
EFFECT Sec. 5. F-K. The infraction constitutes INTERFERENCE. All play stops; the ball
is dead, and the MOST ADVANCED RUNNER IS CALLED OUT. NOTE: In “G,” immediately
above, team members include all other persons who are on the team’s bench.

now, I think the wording we are really looking for here would be verbal obstruction


if this is usssa rule set
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How could we possibly have obstruction here? What did the defense do wrong? The offense interferes and the defense obstructs.

League games I'm going to wait until after the play, if the out is made I'm going to talk to the runner and both managers and let them know if it happens again I'm calling it and someone is going home. Tournaments I'm calling the out immediately, you should know better if you're playing.
 
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EAJuggalo said:
How could we possibly have obstruction here? What did the defense do wrong? The offense interferes and the defense obstructs.

League games I'm going to wait until after the play, if the out is made I'm going to talk to the runner and both managers and let them know if it happens again I'm calling it and someone is going home. Tournaments I'm calling the out immediately, you should know better if you're playing.
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And what are you going to do if the base coach is the one who makes the "go 3" comment?
 
EAJuggalo

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If I believe the intent of the base coach was trying to confuse the defense then it's verbal interference. He can make the argument that he was talking to his player, I'll listen but if I'm making the call obviously I don't believe them.
 
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