Worth Super Duper Pro Ms

[TWmccoy]

Anyone here hit these yet? They seem to be a new Worth ball made to compete with Dudley's Hard Core. The fields at Viera were nice enough to donate 9 of them to me.

The Super Duper has a soft, multilayer cover, just like the Hard Core.

I had 2 Super Dupers to try in BP. 1 Protac GSL Pro M, and 1 pro comp USSSA Pro M. The GSL ball has a better look to it, with way flatter seams. The pro comp ball has higher seams.

Long story short, the Super Duper Pro M is a fairly pale, weak-performing imitation of the Hard Core. They're nowhere near as hard, and don't have a whole lot of zip off the bat. Even in 45 degree weather they felt a hair on the mushy side. The pro comp USSSA ball performed better than the Protac model.

I won't call the performance totally abysmal, but it was still lacking considerably compared to the Hard Core. I think in really hot weather this ball won't perform well at all.

Top distance with the Super Duper Pro M was roughly 360', and I had to earn it. Hard Cores were going 30' past that with less effort. The two balls don't feel or fly the same. Hard Cores have a way crisper feel, and come off the bat noticeably faster.

Now, I won't call the Super Duper Pro M completely useless. It travels OK, and seems like an acceptable product. However, considering it's a multilayer ball designed to compete with Hard Cores I don't think it's quite up to snuff. Honestly, this ball performed like a regular single-cover Pro M. Just very average.

Anyone wanting max batted ball speed and distance out of a Pro M should probably stick with Hard Cores. Those wanting a softer option to keep the ball in the park might want to look at Super Dupers. Both balls cost the same. From a pure performance standpoint the Hard Core is a FAR better ball.

 

[Slim45]

It makes sense. Dudley has been making TAs for years now, so they basically already had the design for HCs. They just needed to convince an organization to allow them again. Worth is starting from scratch on something they never thought would be allowed.

 

[jbo911]

And they couldn't really figure it out like xrocks, evils, and tas the first time. I think they were banned before worth could bring an offering to market.

I saw the name and just thought they were going for nostalgia marketing.

 

[TWmccoy]

It makes sense. Dudley has been making TAs for years now, so they basically already had the design for HCs. They just needed to convince an organization to allow them again. Worth is starting from scratch on something they never thought would be allowed.

You're right. As far as I know this is Worth's first multilayer ball.

What I don't know is why USSSA suddenly decided to allow multilayer balls again after banning them about a decade ago. I still have a few old Thunder Advance classic Ms, and they are f'ing missiles.

I think the Hard Cores being produced now are every bit as good (if not better) than Thunder Advances made in years past.

 

[TWmccoy]

And they couldn't really figure it out like xrocks, evils, and tas the first time. I think they were banned before worth could bring an offering to market.

I saw the name and just thought they were going for nostalgia marketing.

If you run across any Super Duper Pro Ms LMK what you think of them. To me they aren't even really close to Hard Cores in terms of performance.

 

[TWmccoy]

Time to update this thread. Played a tourny on big fields this past weekend (320' and 325'). My team purchased a couple dozen synthetic Super Duper Pro M's. I've hit these balls sparingly over the years, almost entirely in BP (not in games).

Weather was hot. Low to mid 90s.

Synthetic Super Dupers flew well. I'd say they sit somewhere between a regular ZN Pro M and a hard core. IMO they feel slightly lighter than hard cores, and don't feel like they're damaging the bat as much to hit.

The balls flew well, but not outrageously. I felt like I still had to earn HRs a bit. I wouldn't want to use these balls on 300' fields, but for larger fields they were fine.

Teams around here are starting to buy Super Dupers and bring them to tournies. Hard cores and Onyx Pro Ms are banned (all other Pro Ms are allowed), so Super Dupers are the next best option, IMO.

One thing I did notice about the Super Dupers is that they like to knuckle a lot. I hit several that were dancing all over the place.

Overall, good balls. Too much for 300' fields, but good for big fields. Not as hot as hard cores. They also don't feel as heavy off the bat. In hot weather the balls did wilt a little, but not enough to slow them down a whole lot.

 

[jbo911]

I'm senior league last night a team threw in a hard core nsa icon(44/400) and it was damned heavy. I don't know if it was water logged or nsa has looser weight regulations, but if you told me it was 8 oz heavier I wouldn't have argued with you.

 

[TWmccoy]

I'm senior league last night a team threw in a hard core nsa icon(44/400) and it was damned heavy. I don't know if it was water logged or nsa has looser weight regulations, but if you told me it was 8 oz heavier I wouldn't have argued with you.

I've always thought hard cores had a heavy feel to them. You really feel it on bats sometimes. It feels like your bat is getting destroyed on every swing. Hard cores also penetrate through wind way better than any other balls I've seen.

 

[Muscles220]

I've always thought hard cores had a heavy feel to them. You really feel it on bats sometimes. It feels like your bat is getting destroyed on every swing. Hard cores also penetrate through wind way better than any other balls I've seen.

Those almost non-existent seams cut through the wind like crazy. I’m surprised they knuckle with almost no seam. I rarely hit a ball square, and use them in games so I don’t know if they knuckle when I hit one on the nose or not. I go for good spin. Might be a reason I’m not terribly hard on bats. Most of my single-wall destruction occurred when I accidentally knuckled a ball.

 

[TWmccoy]

Those almost non-existent seams cut through the wind like crazy. I’m surprised they knuckle with almost no seam. I rarely hit a ball square, and use them in games so I don’t know if they knuckle when I hit one on the nose or not. I go for good spin. Might be a reason I’m not terribly hard on bats. Most of my single-wall destruction occurred when I accidentally knuckled a ball.

I feel like all those multilayer cover balls knuckle. Everything from X Rocks to hard cores. Some of the stuff you see with them is ridiculous.

I do cut the ball on purpose at times, but most of my HRs are brute force shots to the center of the ball.

 

[Muscles220]

I feel like all those multilayer cover balls knuckle. Everything from X Rocks to hard cores. Some of the stuff you see with them is ridiculous.

I do cut the ball on purpose at times, but most of my HRs are brute force shots to the center of the ball.

I don’t think I can hit a ball out if it doesn’t have backspin. Maybe I could have in my prime. I don’t think I’ve ever destroyed a metal bat except when I accidentally centered one up. Luckily I don’t do that very often. I would wave them a little cutting once we switched to .44’s, but the only turned into a boat oar or broke if I hit one on the nose.