You will never convince me the classic plus bounces more than a baseball. We fielded this for years, what's the problem now?
Hard cores are ruining USSSA softball
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You will never convince me the classic plus bounces more than a baseball. We fielded this for years, what's the problem now?
TWmccoy
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We used C+ balls here in CO for like 10 years. Obviously there were some bad hops, but not more than any other ball.
No one seemed to take into consideration that infields here suck, and any ball is treacherous to field.
Using Pro Ms has ruined things here. Now everything's a HR, and games become "slap" contests to see who can keep the ball in. Hard cores have exacerbated the problems even further.
TWmccoy
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ASA's problem right now is ridiculous bats, not the balls. Those bats are specifically made to hit .52s, and will break almost instantly if you hit harder balls.
I do agree with you, though. I also ump an ASA league, and the HRs get silly after a while.
It seems like every sanction caters to sucky players now. Hitting the ball hard and far takes no skill anymore. All you need is a light saber and/or a ridiculous ball.
When asa lowered the "pitch" speed in their testing it allowed much hotter bats. They may be hotter now excluding very cool temps, hard cores and stadiums.
EAJuggalo
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I don't think the hops are any worse, the crazy hops I've seen with the .52s have all been on the second hop. I'd much rather deal with that than the insane amount of knuckling I see with the ProMs.
ilyk2win
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As a P, the 52's don't hop any worse than ANY ball on turf during the first touch of the turf. So many factors dictate how that first bounce is going to go on turf, and standing at ~52 feet, it can be rough. I've had more "weird" first-bounces at Viera than I have with any 52 ball.
Different brands and different covers etc are all factors, but I'd rather do anything than get hit by those classic m bags that roll right on the ground and then jump up last second like an uppercut.
TWmccoy
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Hard cores knuckle BAD. I've seen it lots of times. Those balls move more than probably any ball I've ever seen. If you don't get under the ball with spin they dance all over the place.
I attribute it to the cover.
stang7222
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I wore 3 of those on the wrist yesterday playing 3b. The infield being 80% speedy dry probably didn't help either.
I bet that wrist is feeling it today. Last time I got hit by a classic m I'd deflected it and caught it against my body with me left arm, and both my arm and side were sore and bruised for days.
stang7222
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It's tender for sure. One of the balls bounced straight up off my wrist to the ss for the out. Another I made a play on for a force at 2b. The third just rolled into no-mans land. Very frustrating on top of painful.
ilyk2win
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Bauer street hockey wrist bands with the plastic insert help a LOT!
DirtBag215
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Played in a tourney with pro m’s the other day and that **** is way too much ball
TWmccoy
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I just got back from KC. Played in that John King's Smoke Show tourny. It was at Mid America. Fields are 300', and slope downhill. 90% of teams seemed to be hitting hard cores. Even there it was way too much ball. Weather was hot, but windy. It was an absolute bomb fest.
Ludicrous amounts of HRs, many of which weren't hit very well.
Ludicrous amounts of HRs, many of which weren't hit very well.
DirtBag215
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Yeah we played on 300ft fences and there was a bunch of mistake bombs
DirtBag215
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Yeah it was around 55-60 Saturday. Tournament had a mix of short porch pro m’s and classic m’s. Both were too much
TWmccoy
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.47 375s were actually pretty decent balls. They never got overly hard, and weren't completely ridiculous off the bat either.
I haven't seen that cor/compression combo in years.