ASA Batted ball goes out of play

[SammyJaxxx]

Here is the situation.
Wide open field. There is a "Dead Ball" line that extends from the backstop fence. Anything that crosses the line is out of play and a dead ball.

There is a batted ball that bloops over first base, lands in fair territory and spins to the right and goes out of play. No defensive player touches the ball. When it goes out of play the batter is jogging to first base and has no intention of going to second.

The umpire awarded the batter second base. Is this the right call?
The umpire equated it to a thrown ball going out of play or a "ground rule double" that bounces over the outfield fence.

 

[NCASAUmp]

Here is the situation.
Wide open field. There is a "Dead Ball" line that extends from the backstop fence. Anything that crosses the line is out of play and a dead ball.

There is a batted ball that bloops over first base, lands in fair territory and spins to the right and goes out of play. No defensive player touches the ball. When it goes out of play the batter is jogging to first base and has no intention of going to second.

The umpire awarded the batter second base. Is this the right call?
The umpire equated it to a thrown ball going out of play or a "ground rule double" that bounces over the outfield fence.

This is a two base award. The ball was batted fair, and exited the field of play on its own momentum (as opposed to the fielder throwing it).

Good call.

 

[SammyJaxxx]

This is a two base award. The ball was batted fair, and exited the field of play on its own momentum (as opposed to the fielder throwing it).

Good call.

Ok. Thank you.
It just felt like the call was wrong.

 

[antneeb3]

correct call made

 

[NCASAUmp]

Ok. Thank you.
It just felt like the call was wrong.

What did you think it should have been?

 

[Crabby Bob]

This is a two base award. The ball was batted fair, and exited the field of play on its own momentum (as opposed to the fielder throwing it).

Good call.

What about if he kicks it?

 

[NCASAUmp]

What about if he kicks it?

If he manages to kick it between the foul poles, he gets 3 points and a defensive rebound?

 

[SammyJaxxx]

What did you think it should have been?

I wasn't sure but it just didn't feel right. I thought maybe it was umpire discretion and he could put the runner where he thought he would wind up

 

[NCASAUmp]

I wasn't sure but it just didn't feel right. I thought maybe it was umpire discretion and he could put the runner where he thought he would wind up

Nope, two base award. Easy, consistent.

 

[wcoastsoftball]

What did you think it should have been?

isn't it technically a ground rule double...just used to seeing it go over the outfield wall as opposed to "out-of-play lines"

 

[NCASAUmp]

isn't it technically a ground rule double...just used to seeing it go over the outfield wall as opposed to "out-of-play lines"

A "ground rule double" is a rule specifically written for the local field to accommodate a feature of the field that isn't already covered by the rule book. This scenario is already covered by the rule book, so it's not a true "ground rule double."

 

[BretMan]

isn't it technically a ground rule double...

Technically, it isn't a "ground rule double".

"Ground rules" refer to special field conditions that are unique to a given field. For instance, tree branches hanging over the field, a tarp lying beside the field, or a fence that's a non-standard distance or dimension.

On ALL fields a fair batted ball bouncing out of play is a two-base award, determined from a runner's position at the time of the pitch (in the case of the batter, that would be home). This isn't something special for this particular field, it's the standard rule that would apply to any field. So it's not technically a "ground rule double", it's technically a "rule book double", or a two-base award.

But if you call it a ground rule double, we'll probably know what you're talking about...

 

[NCASAUmp]

Too slow, Bret!

 

[frontagerdmaui]

It is more than likely a rule designed for safety. When the ball leaves the designated field of play, they don't want players trying to leave the area to make a play that could cause injury (Sprinkler systems/holes in the ground/errant objects). While the ball may have been playable and kept the batter on 1st, it is safer to call the ball dead/out of play and award the second base.

 

[SammyJaxxx]

Thank you. I appreciate your input and it makes sense.
I've just never seen this scenario. I have actually seen it many times where a ball goes out of play after passing the outfielder. In those cases, an obvious homerun becomes a double.

 

[wcoastsoftball]

A "ground rule double" is a rule specifically written for the local field to accommodate a feature of the field that isn't already covered by the rule book. This scenario is already covered by the rule book, so it's not a true "ground rule double."

Technically, it isn't a "ground rule double".

"Ground rules" refer to special field conditions that are unique to a given field. For instance, tree branches hanging over the field, a tarp lying beside the field, or a fence that's a non-standard distance or dimension.

On ALL fields a fair batted ball bouncing out of play is a two-base award, determined from a runner's position at the time of the pitch (in the case of the batter, that would be home). This isn't something special for this particular field, it's the standard rule that would apply to any field. So it's not technically a "ground rule double", it's technically a "rule book double", or a two-base award.

But if you call it a ground rule double, we'll probably know what you're talking about...

Thanks guys! Appreciate all your help in here for sure.

 

[irishmafia]

Post #1 - Question
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All subsequent posts - garbage

 

[joncon]

Post 17=garbage

All other posts = discussion.


This is a discussion board. It says so right in the title. :thumb:

 

[3drian]

What would happen if the runner was on its way to second when the ball goes out of play? same situation just the runner was past first base.
Would the runner get 3rd base? thanks

 

[NCASAUmp]

What would happen if the runner was on its way to second when the ball goes out of play? same situation just the runner was past first base.
Would the runner get 3rd base? thanks

Two bases from the time of the pitch.

 

[3drian]

Two bases from the time of the pitch.

Interesting, thanks for the info, does this also apply for a bad throw?

Batter running to first, first baseman get air mail and the ball goes out of play, does he just get second? or does it depend on where the runner was at the time of the throw?

 

[Calli4120]

Interesting, thanks for the info, does this also apply for a bad throw?

Batter running to first, first baseman get air mail and the ball goes out of play, does he just get second? or does it depend on where the runner was at the time of the throw?

Still two bases. He gets first as he hasn't reached it yet at the time of the throw and then is also awarded 2nd base.

 

[NCASAUmp]

Interesting, thanks for the info, does this also apply for a bad throw?

Batter running to first, first baseman get air mail and the ball goes out of play, does he just get second? or does it depend on where the runner was at the time of the throw?

There's a difference between a thrown ball going out of play and a batted ball going out of play.

A thrown ball going out of play results in two bases based on the runner's position at the time of the throw.

Generally-speaking, a batted ball going out of play (other than a home run or a 4-base award) results in two bases based on the the runner's position at the time of the pitch.