USSSA Batting out of order

[EAJuggalo]

Had this come up last night in league and I'm curious as to what we could have done differently. Player on the other team is injured but starts the game. Pulls himself out in the bottom of the first. In the third inning his place in the order comes up and his team sends up the next batter in the order who proceeds to fly out for the second out of the inning. After that batter but before the next we appeal that they batted out of order and the injured player is the third out of the inning. Umpire tells us we have to go back into the field because we didn't appeal in time. My understanding of the rule is that because we appealed before throwing a pitch to the following batter the injured player is out for missing his time at bat. Am I correct in this and is there anything else we can do if it happens again?

 

[hookumsnivy]

Since you appealed before the 1st pitch to the next batter, it should have been a valid appeal.
Injured player is declared out.
All runners return to the bases occupied prior to the incorrect player entering the batters' box.
The player that is after the injured player in the lineup is now the batter.

EFFECT Sec. 1. A-E. Batting out of order is an appeal play by the defense.
1. If an incorrect batter is discovered before he completes his turn at bat, the
correct batter may take his proper place, assuming any accumulated balls and
strikes.
2. If the mistake is discovered after the incorrect batter has completed the
turn at bat and before a pitch has been made to a succeeding batter, the batter
who should have batted is called out. All base runners, if they have advanced,
must return to the base occupied at the time the incorrect batter took a position
in the batter’s box. The next batter is the player whose name follows that of the
batter called out for failure to bat. This may even be carried over to the first bat-
ter of the next inning, if the appealed out was the third out.
3. If the mistake was not discovered until a pitch is made to the next batter,
the turn at bat of the incorrect batter is then legal. All bases advanced or runs
scored are counted, the next following batter shall be the one whose name fol-
lows that of the incorrect batter who just finished a time at bat. No one is called
out for failure to bat and players missing their turn at bat have lost that turn and
do not bat again until reached in the regular batter rotation.
EFFECT Sec. 1. E. 2-3. For purposes of interpretation, an intentional walk to a next batter or
illegal pitcher’s action shall be considered the same as a pitch delivered to the batter.

In your situation, based on your appeal:
There should be TWO outs (the 1 that existed before the incorrect batter) and the out declared for the missed plate appearance.
The guy that just flew out, is now the batter. His out does not count. Just like if he hit a HR, his HR does not count.

 

[joncon]

Since you appealed before the 1st pitch to the next batter, it should have been a valid appeal.
Injured player is declared out.

No.

The #1 hitter batted out of order. If he got a hit, appeal and he's out.

 

[hookumsnivy]

No.

The #1 hitter batted out of order. If he got a hit, appeal and he's out.

Who is the #1 hitter?
The spot in the order that was supposed to bat, but didn't, counts as an out. All runners must return to the bases they occupied prior to the AB. The player that follows the skipped batter in the order is now up.
It's right there in the rules that I pasted.

It's as though the illegal AB never happened.

 

[joncon]

#10 batter didn't bat.

#1 batter batted out of order.

#2 batter bats after #1 batter



#1 batter batted out of order (#10 was due up). If he got a hit, you could have appealed for an out. If you apealed during his at bat, #10 would have been forced to take #1's place and ball/strike count.

Once #1 batter was called out on his fly ball, the past is forgotten and #2 batter is up


Ok. based on the rule, #10 batter is out and #1 bats again. You are not going to get two outs on this play though. # 1 batter hit out of order. His out is negated just as all runners go back to their original spots. They should have included that scenario in the rule.

 

[hookumsnivy]

Please point that out in the rulebook. Based on what I pasted from the rulebook, that doesn't seem to the case.

2. If the mistake is discovered after the incorrect batter has completed the
turn at bat and before a pitch has been made to a succeeding batter, the batter
who should have batted is called out. All base runners, if they have advanced,
must return to the base occupied at the time the incorrect batter took a position
in the batter’s box. The next batter is the player whose name follows that of the
batter called out for failure to bat. This may even be carried over to the first bat-
ter of the next inning, if the appealed out was the third out.

In your scenario:
#10 is called out for failure to bat.
#1 is now up (again).