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NCASAUmp

NCASAUmp

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You can slide into 1st base. There are no rules that say you can't, so long as you don't interfere with the defense.

Your teammate's an idiot.
 
rhound50

rhound50

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Enjoy a meal, no such rule exists in Asa or any other association.

That said a local league could have such a rule.
 
IrishBlue

IrishBlue

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Sooooo close

There is no rule saying you cannot slide into first. So get him to take that $20 out of his wallet.

If you do slide into first you do not "have" to slide into the orange. You can slide into either part of the bag but you cannot interfere with the fielder. Now take that $20, tear it in two and you each keep half because neither of you win. :p
 
RDD15

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IrishBlue said:
If you do slide into first you do not "have" to slide into the orange. You can slide into either part of the bag but you cannot interfere with the fielder. Now take that $20, tear it in two and you each keep half because neither of you win. :p
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Not sure this is correct. If the fielder uses the white portion of the bag, whether the runner slides or not, I believe the runner still must use the orange part of the bag. Maybe one of the great blues we have here can confirm this for us, but I am 99% sure that I am correct here.
 
IrishBlue

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Afaik if he uses the white

Afaik the batter runner can use the white or the orange. If they use the white and there is a play at the base then they could cause interference but also if they use the white the defence can appeal, up until they return to the bag safely. Bit of an obscure one that and I cannot locate the reference but it came up on another forum I am part of early in the year.:confused:
 
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Volstar3

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I know I was at worlds last year and a guy running to 1st used te white bag and the ump called him out...
 
ktown808

ktown808

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Every league I play in the runner has to use the orange bag unless he's rounding the base and going to second.
 
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EsqUmp

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IrishBlue said:
If you do slide into first you do not "have" to slide into the orange. You can slide into either part of the bag but you cannot interfere with the fielder. Now take that $20, tear it in two and you each keep half because neither of you win. :p
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Unless one of the exceptions apply, this comment is wrong.
 
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A runner must use the orange part of the bag if there is a play at first base, HOWEVER he can hit white part of the bag if the first baseman is reach across the orange part to cacth an erron throw, and the runner may touch white to AVOID a collision
 
IrishBlue

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Maybe I am wrong :)

EsqUmp said:
Unless one of the exceptions apply, this comment is wrong.
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What I was referring to, in addition to the exceptions, is in the rules supplement, part 1 section L. Where a batter runner goes through the white part of the base they can be appealed prior to returning to the base. On a slide this is not likely as they would stop at the base in most circumstances. Maybe I am being too anal. :eek:
 
ktown808

ktown808

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On a slide they should be going to the orange bag as it is for safety. Kind of dumb to have it there and the runner sliding for the regular bag...someone definitely gonna get hurt there.
 
RDD15

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IrishBlue said:
What I was referring to, in addition to the exceptions, is in the rules supplement, part 1 section L. Where a batter runner goes through the white part of the base they can be appealed prior to returning to the base. On a slide this is not likely as they would stop at the base in most circumstances. Maybe I am being too anal. :eek:
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While this "less likely" situation is indeed correct, it still is important to make the differentiation just in case the runner does over-slide the bag. IMO, you arent being anal enough.
 
MrCharcoal

MrCharcoal

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Am I wrong to think this is a dumb question no matter what the answer?

Im not a physics guy, but I would have to imagine running hard and THROUGH the base is more likely to result in being safe than taking the time to slide?

Why slide into 1?

If Im wrong, I need someone to explain it to me!
 
Illegal pitcher

Illegal pitcher

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MrCharcoal said:
Im not a physics guy, but I would have to imagine running hard and THROUGH the base is more likely to result in being safe than taking the time to slide?

Why slide into 1?

If Im wrong, I need someone to explain it to me!
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SportScience tested whether it was faster to run through 1st base or slide head first into it. They tested one player and he was 10 milliseconds (in length, it was 3 inches) faster when he ran through the base. But, arm length varies, so I think it's close enough that diving could possibly be quicker for some players.

I wouldn't do it though - too dangerous.
 
IrishBlue

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You're not wrong

MrCharcoal said:
Am I wrong to think this is a dumb question no matter what the answer?

Im not a physics guy, but I would have to imagine running hard and THROUGH the base is more likely to result in being safe than taking the time to slide?

Why slide into 1?

If Im wrong, I need someone to explain it to me!
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Running through is nearly always better. The only time that I can think that sliding is a better option is if the throw from the fielder to first puls the first baseman down the line towards home plate and off the bag. In that case sliding under the tag attempt and thus into first is the better option.

Sliding into first led to one of my favourite all time plays. Low level rec, co-ed game with no fences and no one on. A noob got up to bat and smacked the living daylights out of the first pitch. It easily beats the outfield and they turn to chase it down as the batter charges up to first. As he approaches first he slides in and pops up with a cheesy grin on his face. His base coach is screaming at him to keep going. When he popped up he was all turned about so off he went again and promptly slid into the pitchers plate. Again he pops up with a great big grin on his face and now both base coaches are screaming at him and pointing. He lopes towards 2nd base and again slides into the bag. I am behind the plate laughing my ass off. The ball gets to the short stop and I call time and have to get a drink of water my throat hurts and tears are streaming down my face.:D
 
Gulf Coast Blue

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Illegal pitcher said:
SportScience tested whether it was faster to run through 1st base or slide head first into it. They tested one player and he was 10 milliseconds (in length, it was 3 inches) faster when he ran through the base. But, arm length varies, so I think it's close enough that diving could possibly be quicker for some players.

I wouldn't do it though - too dangerous.
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Always better to run through.......but I have seen MLB players slide.......Craig Biggio is one.....maybe it is a brain thing.........:D

My oldest daughter did a head first slide into first one time.......I asked her why she did it and she had no explanation........she just said her body made her do it.

Go figure.......teenagers.......she was about 15 at the time.

Joel
 
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Gulf Coast Blue said:
Always better to run through.......but I have seen MLB players slide.......Craig Biggio is one.....maybe it is a brain thing.........:D

My oldest daughter did a head first slide into first one time.......I asked her why she did it and she had no explanation........she just said her body made her do it.

Go figure.......teenagers.......she was about 15 at the time.

Joel
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If I had a nickel for every time a young girl said here body made her do it.......
 
EAJuggalo

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Gulf Coast Blue said:
Always better to run through.......but I have seen MLB players slide.......Craig Biggio is one.....maybe it is a brain thing.........:D

Joel
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Nick Punto utility infielder for the Twins, Cardinals, Red Sox and Dodgers used to do this all the time. It drove me, the announcers, his coaches and his manager nuts every time he did it. He even passed it on to Carlos Gomez, now of the Brewers. Of course Carlos is a little off in the head as well.
 
Illegal pitcher

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EAJuggalo said:
Nick Punto utility infielder for the Twins, Cardinals, Red Sox and Dodgers used to do this all the time. It drove me, the announcers, his coaches and his manager nuts every time he did it.
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Found a couple of articles where he was asked about it:
Punto doesn't believe that diving into first base slows him down. "I don't like watching people slide headfirst into first base, because that's definitely slower if you're sliding," he said. "I'm diving to the base and propelling over it. I know it's slower if you slide but I dive."
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"I actually think the slide helps him be safe sometimes," manager Don Mattingly said. "It causes any kind of havoc, anything that's out of the ordinary, (umpires) will miss those calls one way or the other. Sometimes good, sometimes bad."

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2012/09/more-from-davey-lopes.html
http://insidesocal.com/dodgers/2012/09/nick-punto-defe.html
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JoeG3

JoeG3

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this is what I tell everyone who slides/dives into 1B - "If it was faster to dive, they'd do it in the Olympics."

In our State tourney a few years ago there was a player who did a legit takeout slide into 1B after hitting into a DP. Blew up the 1Bman and broke his leg. He was ejected, escorted out of the park before the opposing team (2 time defending champs) could collect themselves and knock his teeth down his throat, and subsequently banned from ASA play. His team dissolved as no one would play with him or in the same jersey.

The only time to slide, as was mentioned, is to avoid a tag.
 
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