USSSA Hitting a pitch after/as it hits the ground?

[kaerey]

Legal?

I am a horrible batter because I swing at everything. I hit a ball last night and my team swears I hit it off the ground or after it bounced. Nothing in this thread about bouncing, and nothing in the USSSA rule book under "bounce"

And yes, I probably should have been called out for stepping out of the box when I hit it, damn thing was way outside, short and low. But I just have to swing at that first pitch. (btw, safe at first!)

 

[RT Addict]

Cricket anyone?

 

[kaerey]

More like a golf.

 

[BretMan]

Rule 7-4-B says that a pitch hitting the ground before reaching the plate is a ball.

The "EFFECT" at the end of that section says the ball is dead.

You can't bat a dead ball into play!

I did have a kid bat a clean single on a bounced pitch last weekend...in fastpitch.

 

[NCASAUmp]

Rule 7-4-B says that a pitch hitting the ground before reaching the plate is a ball.

The "EFFECT" at the end of that section says the ball is dead.

You can't bat a dead ball into play!

I did have a kid bat a clean single on a bounced pitch last weekend...in fastpitch.

...where, unlike in slow pitch, it's legal to do so.

 

[Hebrew Hacker]

Rule 7-4-B says that a pitch hitting the ground before reaching the plate is a ball.

The "EFFECT" at the end of that section says the ball is dead.

You can't bat a dead ball into play!

I did have a kid bat a clean single on a bounced pitch last weekend...in fastpitch.

I'm assuming that's the rule in utrip (since that's what the OP was asking about)...what about in other sanctions?

 

[NCASAUmp]

I'm assuming that's the rule in utrip (since that's what the OP was asking about)...what about in other sanctions?

Usually the same in most sanctions:

ASA 7-4-B:
Any pitched ball that hits the ground or plate cannot be legally swung at by the batter.

NSA 6-7
EXCEPTION: In the Men’s Elite division the ball that hits the ground or the plate is not dead, however, the ball may not be hit.

Senior Softball USA 6.15:
A pitched ball hitting the ground in front of home plate is a dead ball. A ball shall be called on the batter.
And 7.5:
Any pitched ball that hits the ground, plate or mat cannot be legally swung at by the batter. NOTE: If the batter swings at a pitch after the ball hits the ground, the ball is dead and all runners return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. A ball is called.

And then there's ISA:

ISA 7-2-C: The pitch must have a perceptible arch, having a minimum height of 4 feet, and a maximum of 10 feet from the ground, in the umpire's judgment.
Note: If a batter swings at a pitch, after it hits the ground or the plate, the batter is out and ejected from the game

I had to read that a few times to make sure I read it right!

And y'all say ASA is strict?

 

[VF500Racer]

Based on ASA rule, it's a dead ball / "ball" but if batter swings at it,
batter gets a strike. That's what I'm seeing at ASA league and tournaments
but apparently every association have a different rule!

 

[NCASAUmp]

Based on ASA rule, it's a dead ball / "ball" but if batter swings at it,
batter gets a strike. That's what I'm seeing at ASA league and tournaments
but apparently every association have a different rule!

A pitch that hits the ground can not be legally swung at.

If the started their swing before it hit the ground, I'll call the strike, but it's a dead ball. If it clearly hit the ground before they started their swing, it's a ball.

 

[Hwick6]

Happened tonight in a utrip league... ball was fouled off after bouncing in front of the plate and ump called it a foul... after the inning I mention the rule and he agreed that he made the wrong call after I pointed it out... at least he admitted his mistake and said he has rarely seen it happen ... im the first person to point out the rule to him.

 

[LORDV8R]

Rule 7-4-B says that a pitch hitting the ground before reaching the plate is a ball.

The "EFFECT" at the end of that section says the ball is dead.

You can't bat a dead ball into play!

I did have a kid bat a clean single on a bounced pitch last weekend...in fastpitch.

Is it different if the ball had reached the plate or bounced on the plate?

 

[BretMan]

The above rule says that a pitch hitting either the ground or the plate cannot be legally swung at.

 

[kaerey]

Rule 7-4-B says that a pitch hitting the ground before reaching the plate is a ball.

The "EFFECT" at the end of that section says the ball is dead.

You can't bat a dead ball into play!

I did have a kid bat a clean single on a bounced pitch last weekend...in fastpitch.

Thanks for pointing out the effect, I didn't catch that when I was looking through the book.