ASA LD wants to switch to wood


csullivan0185

Softball Psycho
We have a very bad problem with doctored bats in our league and the LD wants to switch to all wood, but isn't sure if we will be able to keep our ASA sanction. Any help on this question??
 

EvilE

Daddy 2011!!!!
he should get a compression tester and test questionable bats. Clean up the league. Banning composites will fold that league I bet......
 

EvilE

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where do you play BTW? I play city of mesa leagues.. I sure hope they dont pull something like this..
 

erdy147

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We have a very bad problem with doctored bats in our league and the LD wants to switch to all wood, but isn't sure if we will be able to keep our ASA sanction. Any help on this question??

At least he should go to metal, maybe even single wall metal. That'll keep some interest going. A wood league could be fun but don't know how many people want to play in that kind of a league only.
 

JJF13

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Suggest that the league supply the bats. A few good composites to share between teams.
 

NCASAUmp

Un-Retired
I seriously doubt this will have any impact whatsoever on the league's affiliation with ASA. If he's that concerned about it, he should contact the AZ ASA Commissioner. He can look up Don's info here.

I've heard a lot of guys say they have a lot of fun in wood bat leagues. Real home run hitters can still hit them out, and it usually solves the typical BS whining about bats, bringing the game back to its roots.
 

jimmermc

Pitcher
where do you play BTW? I play city of mesa leagues.. I sure hope they dont pull something like this..

E - I play at Skyline on Tuesdays. Just asked Tiffany (our LD) and she says we are not making any changes in the near future. Also, she said we wont be getting a bat tester as the city takes on more liability when they put a stamp on a bat.
 

irishmafia

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We have a very bad problem with doctored bats in our league and the LD wants to switch to all wood, but isn't sure if we will be able to keep our ASA sanction. Any help on this question??

Zero effect on sanctioning status and it would not be a problem with any real player. The pretenders? That's another story.
 

EvilE

Daddy 2011!!!!
E - I play at Skyline on Tuesdays. Just asked Tiffany (our LD) and she says we are not making any changes in the near future. Also, she said we wont be getting a bat tester as the city takes on more liability when they put a stamp on a bat.
I also play at skyline currently, so this is good news. We have played at red mountain and crappy kleinman before too..
 

EvilE

Daddy 2011!!!!
I seriously doubt this will have any impact whatsoever on the league's affiliation with ASA. If he's that concerned about it, he should contact the AZ ASA Commissioner. He can look up Don's info here.

I've heard a lot of guys say they have a lot of fun in wood bat leagues. Real home run hitters can still hit them out, and it usually solves the typical BS whining about bats, bringing the game back to its roots.
I agree with you here, BUT those of us that DONT cheat, and enjoy the bat aspect of the game, it would suck. I have alot of bats I have paid good money for, and to have them useless would piss me off to no end!
 

surf2snow1

mixednutz
I also play at skyline currently, so this is good news. We have played at red mountain and crappy kleinman before too..

I play over at Riverview. What division is all this complaining coming from? Played at skyline a couple times and red mountain when I lived on that side of Mesa.
 

stang7222

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The big guys with little real skill, and no range in the field would be pissed because they can't drop bombs 10 feet over the fence anymore and will quit. But you won't have an ASA issue here. Our league tried this for fall last season. 10 of 12 teams (not us) said they wouldn't play, and only one team from outside the league tried to join up. The main reason for the teams leaving as they stated at the meeting was that if they can't swing their good bats they'd rather not even play, or switch leagues.
 

irishmafia

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Our league tried this for fall last season. 10 of 12 teams (not us) said they wouldn't play, and only one team from outside the league tried to join up. The main reason for the teams leaving as they stated at the meeting was that if they can't swing their good bats they'd rather not even play, or switch leagues.

That is really sad. Hope none of these quitters have children to which they will hand down such an attitude.
 

NCASAUmp

Un-Retired
That is really sad. Hope none of these quitters have children to which they will hand down such an attitude.

No kidding.

I'd actually consider coming out of (self-imposed) retirement to play in an all-wood bat league. I think it'd be pretty damn awesome, to tell you the truth!
 

knuckleballz

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demarini and combat make a maple/composite for baseball that is besr certified and legal for wooden bat leagues. they outperform solid maple or bamboo and dont crack/break easily
 

franknwhit

Game on!
I seriously doubt this will have any impact whatsoever on the league's affiliation with ASA. If he's that concerned about it, he should contact the AZ ASA Commissioner. He can look up Don's info here.

I've heard a lot of guys say they have a lot of fun in wood bat leagues. Real home run hitters can still hit them out, and it usually solves the typical BS whining about bats, bringing the game back to its roots.

Does ASA have a Wood bat division? (State, Regionals and Nationals)
We tried a wood bat in our fall league, we had teams that wanted to change the summer league to wood bats. Our team all so plays in a Wood Bat Tourney on Labor Day Weekend, its a lot of fun. Sure makes the game a game again. I'm all for wood bats. ASA here in Vt. did a Wood Bat States, our team could not go due to other commitments that weekend. We have all ready made plans for 2012 to attend ASA Vt. Wood Bat States.
 

NCASAUmp

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Does ASA have a Wood bat division? (State, Regionals and Nationals)
We tried a wood bat in our fall league, we had teams that wanted to change the summer league to wood bats. Our team all so plays in a Wood Bat Tourney on Labor Day Weekend, its a lot of fun. Sure makes the game a game again. I'm all for wood bats. ASA here in Vt. did a Wood Bat States, our team could not go due to other commitments that weekend. We have all ready made plans for 2012 to attend ASA Vt. Wood Bat States.

Nationals? Not that I'm aware of. State tourneys? Possibly, but it'd vary from state to state.
 

thesteve

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According to the folks at H&B, maple doesn't break/crack, it shatters which has been a point of discussion in baseball safety.
Hillerech and Bradsby?

Not to say that there isn't some validity to their statement, but I remember a few years ago (during a burst of maple bat drama) a lot of debate going around with one side (I want to say it was SAM BAT, the first to get a maple bat approved by MLB) claiming that the reason bats were shattering was because other manufacturers were making their handles too slim or the players were sanding down the bats in the area between the handle and the barrel in post-manufacture to reduce the weight. I don't know if there was actually anything to these claims though.
 

irishmafia

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Hillerech and Bradsby?

Not to say that there isn't some validity to their statement, but I remember a few years ago (during a burst of maple bat drama) a lot of debate going around with one side (I want to say it was SAM BAT, the first to get a maple bat approved by MLB) claiming that the reason bats were shattering was because other manufacturers were making their handles too slim or the players were sanding down the bats in the area between the handle and the barrel in post-manufacture to reduce the weight. I don't know if there was actually anything to these claims though.

The comment was made by a H&B employee while standing on the line in the factory in Louisville. No comment was made of any altering.
 

JoeG3

Doesnt matter, had sex
We have a wood bat draft tourney next weekend. thats the only wood bats around here.
 
According to the folks at H&B, maple doesn't break/crack, it shatters which has been a point of discussion in baseball safety.

Hillerech and Bradsby?

Not to say that there isn't some validity to their statement, but I remember a few years ago (during a burst of maple bat drama) a lot of debate going around with one side (I want to say it was SAM BAT, the first to get a maple bat approved by MLB) claiming that the reason bats were shattering was because other manufacturers were making their handles too slim or the players were sanding down the bats in the area between the handle and the barrel in post-manufacture to reduce the weight. I don't know if there was actually anything to these claims though.


no,It is b/c they can get the maple bats lighter by drying them even more than than the ash ones,MLB has now put a limit on that,they need to be checked just like softball does with their bat testing,for dryness.tattooball knows the rule on it.

buggsy on here has one of the bamboo hybrid bats,and not a bad bat for wood.
 

Soup89

Coach
I ran a wood bat league in Syracuse and at the park we used it's usually umped by USSSA umps. To make it more interesting we wanted to switch to an 11 inch ball hi COR and compression . USSSA told us we couldnt; use that ball so we went to the ASA director for the area and asked if we could get a waiver on the ball we wanted to use since we were using wood bats.. ASA gaves us the waiver to use the 11 inch hi COR /compression ball so we became an ASA league. It was a lot of fun .. using those balls really opened things up offensively .. the previous 2 years we used the standard approved USSSA ball and you just couldn't generate much offense .. we'd have 7 inning games ending 5-3 and being over in 30 minutes .. so .. we also extended the games to 9 innings ..
 

NCASAUmp

Un-Retired
I ran a wood bat league in Syracuse and at the park we used it's usually umped by USSSA umps. To make it more interesting we wanted to switch to an 11 inch ball hi COR and compression . USSSA told us we couldnt; use that ball so we went to the ASA director for the area and asked if we could get a waiver on the ball we wanted to use since we were using wood bats.. ASA gaves us the waiver to use the 11 inch hi COR /compression ball so we became an ASA league. It was a lot of fun .. using those balls really opened things up offensively .. the previous 2 years we used the standard approved USSSA ball and you just couldn't generate much offense .. we'd have 7 inning games ending 5-3 and being over in 30 minutes .. so .. we also extended the games to 9 innings ..

That sounds awesome, actually. I'd LOVE to ump those kinds of games. Eliminates all the whining and crying over this guy having that kind of bat, blah, blah, blah...

It brings the game back to its purest state. I, for one, would give anything to call in that league!
 

Soup89

Coach
That sounds awesome, actually. I'd LOVE to ump those kinds of games. Eliminates all the whining and crying over this guy having that kind of bat, blah, blah, blah...

It brings the game back to its purest state. I, for one, would give anything to call in that league!

Yeah .. everyone who plays in it .. and umpires the games .. and the park officials love it .. but .. it's still an experimental league and we have a hard time drawing teams into it .... we even experimented with only using 9 fielders instead of the usual 10 .. and .. that was really good .. but we went back to 10 fielders after the first 2 weeks because it was only a 4 team league and 2 of the teams were not very good and to even things up we went back to 10 fielders ....... if we were going to be forced to use a 12 inch ball like we did in years pasr we were definitely going to go with only 9 fielders to open it up ..

really is a good game .. completely eliminates all the hostility that we see in our regular leagues where there are doctored bats being used .. and .. accusations/arguing anytime anyone hits one out .... it's still competitive but just not the arguing and hostility we see in the regular leagues ...
 

irishmafia

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I ran a wood bat league in Syracuse and at the park we used it's usually umped by USSSA umps. To make it more interesting we wanted to switch to an 11 inch ball hi COR and compression . USSSA told us we couldnt; use that ball so we went to the ASA director for the area and asked if we could get a waiver on the ball we wanted to use since we were using wood bats.. ASA gaves us the waiver to use the 11 inch hi COR /compression ball so we became an ASA league. It was a lot of fun .. using those balls really opened things up offensively .. the previous 2 years we used the standard approved USSSA ball and you just couldn't generate much offense .. we'd have 7 inning games ending 5-3 and being over in 30 minutes .. so .. we also extended the games to 9 innings ..

U-trip blowing smoke up your ass. ASA didn't give you ****.

Local leagues can alter the rules in any manner they see fit. They may not like it, but the insurance shouldn't be an issue.
 
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