Other Playing Leaving Early

[dkissane319]

So this happened this past weekend and I was confused on the call. Runners on 2nd and 3rd 2 outs. Runner on second had been leaving the base early all game so we asked the ump to watch for it specially on this play. Batter hits a ball to the outfield runners on 2nd and 3rd score and batter reaches first safely. We appeal to the ump that runner on 2nd base left early. He agreed and called him out. This was the third out so the ump said neither run scored and inning over.

My thinking was it was a timing play (appeal) so that the runner from 3rd should count but not the runner from 2nd. This was technically freedom but was just curious on what the ruling should have been.

Thanks

 

[Joker]

pretty sure this is a dead ball and the runner is called out in ASA

 

[Country469]

U. When the runner fails to keep contact with the base to which the runner is entitled until a
pitched ball touches the ground, passes home plate or is batted. NOTE: Standing on the safety or double bag
at first is defined as standing off the bag. EFFECT: The ball is dead; the runner is out.

file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/2016%20Freedom%20Sports%20Rules.pdf

page 21

If Im reading this right the run shouldnt count as it was a dead ball tech before it was ever hit. Shouldnt need to appeal it really, should just be dead ball out #3

 

[NCASAUmp]

With the exception of NCAA, anytime a runner leaves early, the ball is immediately dead, and nothing else can happen after that. The runner's called out, and the pitch does not count.

 

[dkissane319]

So even though the runner was not called out until after the play has been completed it is still the same impact as if he was called out right away?

 

[Joker]

you can go back to a dead ball but can't undo it once it's called dead

 

[ureout]

your wording of the play is confusing....did the runner leave the base while the ball was in the air before contact by the batter? If he did the umpire should immediately call dead ball runner is out... end of inning... no appeal should be necessary.... If the umpire didn't call it right away then he couldnt have seen it.... you also said he left early on the caught fly ball and that you appealed that he left early... was your appeal on the runner leaving early before the 1st touch of the fielder or that the runner left early on the pitch....when you are appealing a play you must be specific...if his ruling was that the runner left early before the catch then this would have been a timing play and the run from 3rd would count since the appeal was after he scored....if his ruling was that the runner left early on the pitch then he did correct his mistake no runs scored and he needs to work on his mechanics

 

[Joker]

your wording of the play is confusing....did the runner leave the base while the ball was in the air before contact by the batter? If he did the umpire should immediately call dead ball runner is out... end of inning... no appeal should be necessary.... If the umpire didn't call it right away then he couldnt have seen it.... you also said he left early on the caught fly ball and that you appealed that he left early... was your appeal on the runner leaving early before the 1st touch of the fielder or that the runner left early on the pitch....when you are appealing a play you must be specific...if his ruling was that the runner left early before the catch then this would have been a timing play and the run from 3rd would count since the appeal was after he scored....if his ruling was that the runner left early on the pitch then he did correct his mistake no runs scored and he needs to work on his mechanics

there is nothing confusing about it, you just want to make this into something it's not. no where does the OP mention a catch or a caught fly ball. he specifically says the batter reaches 1st safely.

 

[ureout]

there is nothing confusing about it, you just want to make this into something it's not. no where does the OP mention a catch or a caught fly ball. he specifically says the batter reaches 1st safely.

oops.... I shouldn't drink and read at the same time

 

[dkissane319]

you can go back to a dead ball but can't undo it once it's called dead

Thanks! That makes sense. I am not sure why the ump did not call it when it happened he was taking 2 - 3 steps between the ball being pitched and it reaching the plate.

 

[SammyJaxxx]

With the exception of NCAA, anytime a runner leaves early, the ball is immediately dead, and nothing else can happen after that. The runner's called out, and the pitch does not count.

Just to clarify, since it was the third out, the batter who was up would lead off the next inning?

 

[ureout]

Just to clarify, since it was the third out, the batter who was up would lead off the next inning?

yes

 

[JabNblue]

U. When the runner fails to keep contact with the base to which the runner is entitled until a
pitched ball touches the ground, passes home plate or is batted. NOTE: Standing on the safety or double bag
at first is defined as standing off the bag. EFFECT: The ball is dead; the runner is out.

file:///C:/Users/admin/Downloads/2016%20Freedom%20Sports%20Rules.pdf

page 21

If Im reading this right the run shouldnt count as it was a dead ball tech before it was ever hit. Shouldnt need to appeal it really, should just be dead ball out #3[/

So even though the runner was not called out until after the play has been completed it is still the same impact as if he was called out right away?

when you call a runner out, only when it's a league that allows stealing. Then if so, if umpire sees the action call is: got runner 2 playing off. Result runner 2 is out. No run counts.