Treb
Retired
i guess i'm not sure how you're determining one sided. is it that they run/pass 50/50 or they're top 5 in pass and near the bottom in rushing? i was going by the second of the two.
So is Eli > Peyton?
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i guess i'm not sure how you're determining one sided. is it that they run/pass 50/50 or they're top 5 in pass and near the bottom in rushing? i was going by the second of the two.
Treb
Retired
i wasn't sure. i was just going by offense since that's normally where QBs play.
BigWhiffa
Underwear Researcher
what i figured too. however, the colts have had top 10 defense in like 3 or 4 of the last 10 years i imagine. he's not always playing with terrible defenses.
if i were to have to pick which one will be better when all is said and done, it will be peyton. superbowl wins to me is an awful stat to judge ones ability on when you are talking about a sport that heavily relies on the abilities of not just 50 some odd players but coaching personel as well. sure it may be the most important position but its still just a small part of what makes a superbowl team successful.
freak98guy
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Bottom line - Eli is not the passer that Peyton is. You have to look at it like that to understand who's better. That's his job and he isn't as good at it as his brother, period. And it's not like Eli is gonna take off running like a Vick or Newton so... I'm not sure how this is a hard subject to debate. He's also not as good as Brady, Brees and Rodgers. It's a no brainer to say the Giants are better than the Colts, without either Manning. Eli is more in line with a Rapelisberger or other 2nd tier (still good QB's just not as good) guys. Guys that can deliver but just aren't as consistent and accurate as the elites. Giants fans are reaching for something that isn't there with this thread.
BoxerGT2.5
Addicted to Softballfans
+1 Not sure I'd take Brees in the playoffs unless it's in the dome.
AmazingBats
D Nation
Eli is never going to be as good as Peyton and who knows if Peyton will come back. End Thread/
Treb
Retired
i agree. Eli won't drop down to peyton's level and failing ways in the post season.
I agree with this statement^^^^. Football is the ultimate team sport. Judging a QB based on Super Bowl Wins is ridiculous. If that was the case then Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, etc. Peyton is/was much better than Eli.
freak98guy
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You are describing Eli's team. The statistic difference is between the 2 is staggering for a reason. Maybe you're talking about a Tebow factor or something 
bimmerpilot
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Agreed, but I may be a touch biased
Really, 1st overall draft pick and it looks like your family has sand all up in it...
I bet Peyton was ROTFL during this...
Apoc13
getting too old for this
BoxerGT2.5
Addicted to Softballfans
2TD's to 6INT's with a 66 QB Rating the year the Colts won the SB.
Primo
fat and famous pablo
use the playoff stats....not the regular season stats. regular season is called regular season for a reason. Dont care if you're the last placed defenswe in the league during hte regular season if you become the best defense in the playoffs....
freak98guy
Place Clever Title Here
Loooks like Eli has some catching up to do...
NFL records
Manning holds a number of individual career records:
Regular season
Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 11 (1999–2004, 2006–2010)[221]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 6 (1999–2004; tied with Drew Brees)[3]
Most games with 40+ pass attempts in a season: 10 (2010)[222]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 20 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010) [45]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010)[221]
Most games with a perfect passer rating, career: 4 (includes 1 playoff game)[98]
Most consecutive games started to open a career: 208 [45][223]
Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)[224]
Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 5 (games 7–11, 2004)[225]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes, season: 6 (2004; tied with 1984 Marino)[225]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes, career: 24 (includes 2 playoff games; tied with Brett Favre)[226]
Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes, career: 7 (includes 1 playoff game)[227]
Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes and no interceptions, career: 4 (tied with Tom Brady)
One of only seven QBs with at least 6 touchdown passes in two games (tied with Sammy Baugh, Y.A. Tittle, Daryle Lamonica, Tom Brady, Charley Johnson and George Blanda)[228]
One of only two QBs with at least 6 touchdown passes and no interceptions in two games (tied with Tom Brady)
Most regular games with at least 300 passing yards: 63 (tied with Dan Marino)
Most regular and postseason games with at least 300 passing yards: 71
Most games with at least 400 yards passing and no interceptions: 4
Most career touchdown passes in Thursday games: 25[229]
Most touchdown passes on a Thursday game: 6 (tied with Bob Griese)
Largest career TD-INT differential: 201
Highest career passing TDs/game average (min. 150 TD passes): 1.91 TDs/game[45]
Highest career passing yards/game average: 263.6[230]
Second-Highest career completions/game average (min. 100 games played): 22.5[231]
Highest completion percentage by a QB in one month in NFL history (min. 75 attempts): 81.8% (December 2008) [45]
Most career games with a completion percentage of 70% or higher (min. 10 attempts): 66[232]
Most consecutive regular season wins as a starter: 23 (2008–2009)
Most seasons with 10+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 11 (1999–2000, 2002–2010)
Most seasons with 12+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 8 (1999, 2003–2009)
Only QB with at least 12 wins as a starter in 7 consecutive seasons (2003–2009)[233]
Only QB with nine straight seasons of 10+ wins as a starter (2002–2010)[45]
Only QB to lead five consecutive 4th quarter comeback wins (games 7–11, 2009)[234]
Most fourth quarter comeback wins in one season: 7 (2009)[235]
First QB to defeat the other 31 teams in the regular season (Tom Brady did this later the same day, and Brett Favre did it the following week)[236]
Most wins as a starting QB in a decade, regular season only: 115 (2000s)[165]
Most wins as a starting QB in a decade, regular & postseason: 124 (2000s)
Most AP NFL MVP Awards: 4 (2003, 2004, 2008, 2009)[1]
Most Touchdown Passes in a decade: 314 (2000–2009)
Most Passing Yards in a decade: 42,254 (2000–2009)
Most Completions in a decade: 3,575 (2000–2009)
Playoff records
Most 300+ yard passing games: 8 [237]
Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05[238]
Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England[239]
One of only four QBs to post a perfect 158.3 passer rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)[240]
Most games with 20+ completions: 14[241] (surpassed by Tom Brady in 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions: 4[242] (surpassed by Drew Brees in 2011)
Most games with 30+ attempts: 17[243]
Most games with 40+ attempts: 8[244] (tied by Tom Brady in 2011)
Most completions and attempts in a single postseason: 97/153 (2006)[245]
One of only 2 quarterbacks to complete 80% of his passes in two playoff games (tied with Kurt Warner)[246]
Most consecutive postseasons with at least one start: 9 (2002–2010)
Rookie records
Most touchdown passes: 26[225]
Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass (games 4–16): 13[247]
Most games with at least one touchdown pass: 15 [45]
Most games with 300+ yards passing: 4 [45]
With Marvin Harrison
Manning and former Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison hold a number of QB-WR tandem records:
Most completions/receptions (career): 953[248]
Most passing/receiving yards (career): 12,756[248]
Most passing/receiving touchdowns (career): 112[45][248]
Most completions/receptions in a season, QB-to-WR duo: 143 (2002)
Most passing/receiving yards in a season, QB-to-WR duo: 1,722 (2002)
Pro Bowl records
Most Pro Bowl selections for a QB: 11 (tied with Brett Favre)[249]
Most consecutive Pro Bowl selections for a QB: 9 (following the 2002-2010 seasons)
Most passing attempts (career): 150[109]
Most passing attempts (game): 41 (2004)[250]
Most completions (career): 92[109]
Most completions (game): 22 (2004)[250]
Most passing yards (career): 1,278[109]
Most passing yards (game): 342 (2004)[250]
Most passing touchdowns (career): 13[109]
Colts franchise records
Most passing attempts (career): 7,210[44]
Most passing attempts (season): 679 (2010)[44]
Most passing attempts (rookie season): 575 (1998)[44]
Most 40+ passing attempt games (career): 56[44]
Most completions (career): 4,682[44]
Most completions (season): 450 (2010)[44]
Most completions (rookie season): 326 (1998)[44]
Most completions (game): 40 (09/12/10 at Houston)[44]
Most completions (rookie game): 30 (11/01/98 vs. New England)[44]
Most consecutive completions: 23 (12/14/08-12/18/08 vs. Detroit/Jacksonville)[45]
Most games with 20+ completions (career): 140[44]
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 14 (games 1–14, 2010)[44]
Most games with 30+ completions (career): 23[251]
Highest completion percentage (career): 64.9%[44]
Highest completion percentage (season): 68.8% (2009)[44]
Highest completion percentage (rookie season): 56.7%[44]
Highest completion percentage (game): 87.5% (14/16 for 95 yards, 12/30/07 vs. Tennessee)[45]
Most passing yards (career): 54,828[252]
Most passing yards (season): 4,700 (2010)[44]
Most passing yards (rookie season): 3,739[44]
Most passing yards (game): 472 (10/31/04 vs. Kansas City)[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 63[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (season): 9 (2009)[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (rookie season): 4[44]
Most consecutive passing 300+ yard games: 5 (games 1–5 in 2009)[44]
Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards : 11 (1999–2004, 2006–2010)[221]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards (1999–2004): 6[3]
Most touchdown passes (career): 399[5]
Most touchdown passes (season): 49 (2004)[44]
Most touchdown passes (rookie season): 26[44]
Most touchdown passes (game): 6 (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans and 11/25/04 vs. Detroit)[44]
Most touchdown passes (rookie game): 3 (4 times; tied with Johnny Unitas and Jeff George)[44]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (career): 22[253]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (season, 2004): 6[225]
Most games with at least 3 touchdown passes (career): 64[44]
Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (season): 15 (5 times)[44]
Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 15 (1998)[44]
Most consecutive uninterrupted games with at least 1 touchdown pass: 27
Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes (games 7–11, 2004): 5 (2004)[225]
Most consecutive games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 8 (games 5–12, 2004)[254]
Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)[44]
Most consecutive games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 13 (games 4–16)[44]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010)[221]
Highest touchdown percentage (career): 5.66%[44]
Highest touchdown percentage (season): 9.86% (2004)[44]
Highest touchdown percentage (game): 24.00% (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans)[44]
Most interceptions thrown (game): 6 (11/11/07 vs. San Diego)[44]
Most interceptions thrown (season): 28 (1998)[44]
Highest passer rating (career): 94.9[44]
Second highest passer rating (season): 121.1 (2004)[44]
Most games with a perfect passer rating (career): 4 (includes 1 playoff game)[98]
Most consecutive games started to open a career by a quarterback: 208 (current)[255]
Most games played, franchise history: 208
Most consecutive games started, franchise history: 208 (current)[255]
Most comeback wins in the 4th quarter (career): 35 (includes one playoff game) [44]
Most comeback wins in the 4th quarter (season): 7 (2009) [44]
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (career): 46 (includes one playoff game) [44]
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (season): 7 (1999, 2008, 2009)[44]
NFL records
Manning holds a number of individual career records:
Regular season
Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 11 (1999–2004, 2006–2010)[221]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards: 6 (1999–2004; tied with Drew Brees)[3]
Most games with 40+ pass attempts in a season: 10 (2010)[222]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 20 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010) [45]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010)[221]
Most games with a perfect passer rating, career: 4 (includes 1 playoff game)[98]
Most consecutive games started to open a career: 208 [45][223]
Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)[224]
Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes: 5 (games 7–11, 2004)[225]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes, season: 6 (2004; tied with 1984 Marino)[225]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes, career: 24 (includes 2 playoff games; tied with Brett Favre)[226]
Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes, career: 7 (includes 1 playoff game)[227]
Most games with at least 5 touchdown passes and no interceptions, career: 4 (tied with Tom Brady)
One of only seven QBs with at least 6 touchdown passes in two games (tied with Sammy Baugh, Y.A. Tittle, Daryle Lamonica, Tom Brady, Charley Johnson and George Blanda)[228]
One of only two QBs with at least 6 touchdown passes and no interceptions in two games (tied with Tom Brady)
Most regular games with at least 300 passing yards: 63 (tied with Dan Marino)
Most regular and postseason games with at least 300 passing yards: 71
Most games with at least 400 yards passing and no interceptions: 4
Most career touchdown passes in Thursday games: 25[229]
Most touchdown passes on a Thursday game: 6 (tied with Bob Griese)
Largest career TD-INT differential: 201
Highest career passing TDs/game average (min. 150 TD passes): 1.91 TDs/game[45]
Highest career passing yards/game average: 263.6[230]
Second-Highest career completions/game average (min. 100 games played): 22.5[231]
Highest completion percentage by a QB in one month in NFL history (min. 75 attempts): 81.8% (December 2008) [45]
Most career games with a completion percentage of 70% or higher (min. 10 attempts): 66[232]
Most consecutive regular season wins as a starter: 23 (2008–2009)
Most seasons with 10+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 11 (1999–2000, 2002–2010)
Most seasons with 12+ wins as a starter (regular season only): 8 (1999, 2003–2009)
Only QB with at least 12 wins as a starter in 7 consecutive seasons (2003–2009)[233]
Only QB with nine straight seasons of 10+ wins as a starter (2002–2010)[45]
Only QB to lead five consecutive 4th quarter comeback wins (games 7–11, 2009)[234]
Most fourth quarter comeback wins in one season: 7 (2009)[235]
First QB to defeat the other 31 teams in the regular season (Tom Brady did this later the same day, and Brett Favre did it the following week)[236]
Most wins as a starting QB in a decade, regular season only: 115 (2000s)[165]
Most wins as a starting QB in a decade, regular & postseason: 124 (2000s)
Most AP NFL MVP Awards: 4 (2003, 2004, 2008, 2009)[1]
Most Touchdown Passes in a decade: 314 (2000–2009)
Most Passing Yards in a decade: 42,254 (2000–2009)
Most Completions in a decade: 3,575 (2000–2009)
Playoff records
Most 300+ yard passing games: 8 [237]
Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05[238]
Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England[239]
One of only four QBs to post a perfect 158.3 passer rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)[240]
Most games with 20+ completions: 14[241] (surpassed by Tom Brady in 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions: 4[242] (surpassed by Drew Brees in 2011)
Most games with 30+ attempts: 17[243]
Most games with 40+ attempts: 8[244] (tied by Tom Brady in 2011)
Most completions and attempts in a single postseason: 97/153 (2006)[245]
One of only 2 quarterbacks to complete 80% of his passes in two playoff games (tied with Kurt Warner)[246]
Most consecutive postseasons with at least one start: 9 (2002–2010)
Rookie records
Most touchdown passes: 26[225]
Most consecutive games with a touchdown pass (games 4–16): 13[247]
Most games with at least one touchdown pass: 15 [45]
Most games with 300+ yards passing: 4 [45]
With Marvin Harrison
Manning and former Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison hold a number of QB-WR tandem records:
Most completions/receptions (career): 953[248]
Most passing/receiving yards (career): 12,756[248]
Most passing/receiving touchdowns (career): 112[45][248]
Most completions/receptions in a season, QB-to-WR duo: 143 (2002)
Most passing/receiving yards in a season, QB-to-WR duo: 1,722 (2002)
Pro Bowl records
Most Pro Bowl selections for a QB: 11 (tied with Brett Favre)[249]
Most consecutive Pro Bowl selections for a QB: 9 (following the 2002-2010 seasons)
Most passing attempts (career): 150[109]
Most passing attempts (game): 41 (2004)[250]
Most completions (career): 92[109]
Most completions (game): 22 (2004)[250]
Most passing yards (career): 1,278[109]
Most passing yards (game): 342 (2004)[250]
Most passing touchdowns (career): 13[109]
Colts franchise records
Most passing attempts (career): 7,210[44]
Most passing attempts (season): 679 (2010)[44]
Most passing attempts (rookie season): 575 (1998)[44]
Most 40+ passing attempt games (career): 56[44]
Most completions (career): 4,682[44]
Most completions (season): 450 (2010)[44]
Most completions (rookie season): 326 (1998)[44]
Most completions (game): 40 (09/12/10 at Houston)[44]
Most completions (rookie game): 30 (11/01/98 vs. New England)[44]
Most consecutive completions: 23 (12/14/08-12/18/08 vs. Detroit/Jacksonville)[45]
Most games with 20+ completions (career): 140[44]
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 14 (games 1–14, 2010)[44]
Most games with 30+ completions (career): 23[251]
Highest completion percentage (career): 64.9%[44]
Highest completion percentage (season): 68.8% (2009)[44]
Highest completion percentage (rookie season): 56.7%[44]
Highest completion percentage (game): 87.5% (14/16 for 95 yards, 12/30/07 vs. Tennessee)[45]
Most passing yards (career): 54,828[252]
Most passing yards (season): 4,700 (2010)[44]
Most passing yards (rookie season): 3,739[44]
Most passing yards (game): 472 (10/31/04 vs. Kansas City)[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (career): 63[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (season): 9 (2009)[44]
Most 300+ passing yard games (rookie season): 4[44]
Most consecutive passing 300+ yard games: 5 (games 1–5 in 2009)[44]
Most seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards : 11 (1999–2004, 2006–2010)[221]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 4,000 passing yards (1999–2004): 6[3]
Most touchdown passes (career): 399[5]
Most touchdown passes (season): 49 (2004)[44]
Most touchdown passes (rookie season): 26[44]
Most touchdown passes (game): 6 (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans and 11/25/04 vs. Detroit)[44]
Most touchdown passes (rookie game): 3 (4 times; tied with Johnny Unitas and Jeff George)[44]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (career): 22[253]
Most games with at least 4 touchdown passes (season, 2004): 6[225]
Most games with at least 3 touchdown passes (career): 64[44]
Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (season): 15 (5 times)[44]
Most games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 15 (1998)[44]
Most consecutive uninterrupted games with at least 1 touchdown pass: 27
Most consecutive games with at least 4 touchdown passes (games 7–11, 2004): 5 (2004)[225]
Most consecutive games with at least 3 touchdown passes: 8 (games 5–12, 2004)[254]
Most consecutive games with at least 2 touchdown passes: 13 (games 1–13, 2004)[44]
Most consecutive games with at least 1 touchdown pass (rookie season): 13 (games 4–16)[44]
Most consecutive seasons with at least 25 touchdown passes: 13 (1998–2010)[221]
Highest touchdown percentage (career): 5.66%[44]
Highest touchdown percentage (season): 9.86% (2004)[44]
Highest touchdown percentage (game): 24.00% (09/28/03 vs. New Orleans)[44]
Most interceptions thrown (game): 6 (11/11/07 vs. San Diego)[44]
Most interceptions thrown (season): 28 (1998)[44]
Highest passer rating (career): 94.9[44]
Second highest passer rating (season): 121.1 (2004)[44]
Most games with a perfect passer rating (career): 4 (includes 1 playoff game)[98]
Most consecutive games started to open a career by a quarterback: 208 (current)[255]
Most games played, franchise history: 208
Most consecutive games started, franchise history: 208 (current)[255]
Most comeback wins in the 4th quarter (career): 35 (includes one playoff game) [44]
Most comeback wins in the 4th quarter (season): 7 (2009) [44]
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (career): 46 (includes one playoff game) [44]
Most game-winning drives in the 4th quarter/overtime (season): 7 (1999, 2008, 2009)[44]
MormonBaller
Not really a Mormon
Everyone who says that Peyton is better is an idiot. Peyton is not good for anything but fantasy. Same as Romo. They are good for stats but cant win a game when they need to. Look at what Peyton has had compared to Eli as far as receivers. Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Garcon. Imagine if Eli had those to work with and what he could do. Eli has had one receiver and thats Nicks. Manningham and Ballard are not on the level as the guys in Indy.
BoxerGT2.5
Addicted to Softballfans
freak98guy
Place Clever Title Here
^^^ All of those receivers did really well this year without him
freak98guy
Place Clever Title Here
Eli does because his TEAM played well.
MormonBaller
Not really a Mormon
So youre saying if Eli was the QB this year he wouldve had Curtis Painter numbers?
Treb
Retired
apparently not. the numbers is what makes a great QB. failing in the playoffs doesn't matter.
Treb
Retired
then peyton is lucky his TEAM played well the year they won the SB. peyton played like **** that year.
MormonBaller
Not really a Mormon
apparently not. the numbers is what makes a great QB. failing in the playoffs doesn't matter.
If Painter was the QB for the Giants they still would have won.
Treb
Retired
probably, giant receivers are that good.
freak98guy
Place Clever Title Here
I completely agree. That's the common in this discussion. Just because your TEAM wins the Super Bowl, it doesn't magically make you the most talented QB/player ever. It means your TEAM played well enough to beat the others that year. Eli or Rothisberger or whoever can win 15 Super Bowls. It won't make them "better/ more talented" than Peyton. BTW, I'm not a Colts fan so I really don't care either way, but this debate is so obviously retarded I had to chime in.