2015 USSSA Military Worlds
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B-Link #99
Retired Damage Controlman
We should be on the stadium the whole time, just like the Majors, plus it gets whoever qualifies some playing time on bigger fields.
B-Link #99
Retired Damage Controlman
I am staying at your house, we have lots of photos that need to be taken, plus, we'll split the drive time back and forth to each game, you in??
JTF#12
Starting Player
Q is down at Benning he might be a better option LOL
B-Link #99
Retired Damage Controlman
thats to close of a drive, was looking more for the scenic route, lol
jeffscheel
WhatCutoffMan
Columbus, GA huh? Wow, I figured they could have done better than that. I've played there and the complex overall isn't bad but the stadium is not all that, the umpires were the worst I've seen (next to Las Cruces, NM) and it is the Bible belt so that means no beer in the park (or arrest) and will not be able to buy alchohol Sunday. I can see how that may benefit some teams, but overall a bad choice in my opinion. The best thing about it is the major Atlanta hub. I think they should let the players cast a vote at worlds and see where the players would like to see it played.
JTF#12
Starting Player
Input was taken into consideration from players, but it will never be perfect for everyone. Logistics are a huge factor and Columbus is a good location. Yes it caters to the East Coast teams but that where the majority of the Military teams are from. I have been stationed in San Diego, Seattle, and Italy also and have always attended military worlds so I inow the traveling aspect also. It's a good location and should be a fun tourney
I told you guys for months that it would be Columbus! LOL! I don't know when you played there or what association, but I play there several times a year to include a 150+ team BSC World Tournament. We've NEVER had a problem with police at that park in 7 years..Saturday or Sunday. Yes it's dry on Sunday, but either buy all of your liquor on Saturday or drive over to Ft. Benning on Sunday and buy what you need there. Too easy!
The bottom line is MONEY! The City of Columbus loves softball. They really roll out the red carpet and inviting the USSSA Military Program will be no different. They offered USSSA a great package to come there.
Get your guys ready to fly to Atlanta, drive 45 minutes to an hour, stay at the Big Marriott (which should be the host hotel) and have a great weekend of ball bro.
The bottom line is MONEY! The City of Columbus loves softball. They really roll out the red carpet and inviting the USSSA Military Program will be no different. They offered USSSA a great package to come there.
Get your guys ready to fly to Atlanta, drive 45 minutes to an hour, stay at the Big Marriott (which should be the host hotel) and have a great weekend of ball bro.
Deez19
Addicted to Softballfans
Unfortunately, the "stadium" title is a little misleading. Yes, there are stands that go around the backstop, like a traditional stadium. But, the field itself isn't any different than any other field...i.e. it's not 320 down the line and 420 in center and grass on the infield like what the bigger teams play on. So, the only benefit of that particular field is the dugout and seating, no actual benefit to the field itself. As for the complex itself, true enough is nice for a large tournament and may even be better in that it isn't quite as separated as Frank Brown is with the two sides. But that is where the benefits stop. I hear the argument that it is about softball, we're there to play ball etc, and it'll prevent people from being out late drinking and all of that. What's done is done, can't be changed, but in my humble opinion this is a horrible choice. I've read several comments on different pages saying that it'll be better bc folks will concentrate on ball and not drinking and things to do outside of softball. That's the wrong answer. Grown men and women should be able to know what their limits are and make decisions accordingly. Also, with that argument then they should move all majors in all associations from places like, I don't know, Orlando!!!! Because there is arguably no other place that has more stuff to do than there, but yet they have the audacity to have a big tournament there???!!!?!?!?! Plus, at least in my experience, my family is a part of the softball family. They are around all of the tournaments, trips etc. And this is one of the only times during the year that we can all catch up and all of that. I doubt that I am the only one with this experience?? SO to say that our families aren't involved I think is a bit short sighted. And Columbus is not a place that I'll ever bring my family if it is at all possible. With that said, the surrounding area and activities around the tournament does or at least should play a part. I understand that money plays a huge part in all of this, which I'm sure Columbus gave out a great package for the directors and such, but that doesn't take away the fact that this is a pretty poor selection for our biggest tournament of the year, obviously in my opinion.....
jeffscheel
WhatCutoffMan
I hear ya, hope there is a little more to do off the field from what I remember. You did call it, was hoping for a different location though. I'm sure the flights for the west coast fellas will appreciate the cheaper rates flying into Atlanta.
Deez19
Addicted to Softballfans
Fair enough, that one is on the other side of the complex....However, in the several tournaments I've played in there, that hasn't ever been used. Maybe they will this time??? Either way, like I said it is what it is, the decision has been made. I was one of the ones that wanted it moved but would have thought a better choice would have been made....
I think if someone actually threw a player's social every night, that would be legit. The players socials in PCB normally did pretty well and you get to catch up with alot of your fellow brothers all at one party. I'll see if Dustin has a budget for something like that.
B-Link #99
Retired Damage Controlman
And give away free demarini's to everyone that shows up! Just saying.
usafshelland
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Well, I'm hoping prices drop... right now it's TWICE as expensive then it was to get to PCB.
softballfan123
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What are your thoughts on the new 2015 Military Rules
2015 Military Program
Policy & Procedures 0039H
Sec. 1. The Military Men's Program shall feature 3 Divisions Military Varsity "A", "B", and Intramural.
Sec. 2. The Military Women's Program shall feature 1 Divisions; Women's Military Varsity.
Sec.3. A bona fide Men's Military Team consists of Active Duty and spouses, Reserves, ROTC, National Guard, retired military personnel and Department of Defense civilians. All Players must have a Department of Defense Identification card. A bona fide Women's Military Team consists of Active Duty and spouses, Reserves, ROTC, National Guard, retired military, and Department of Defense civilians.. All players must have a government identification card. Retired military personnel and retired Department of defense civilians are eligible to play with a team from the state where they retired or a team from the state of their permanent address. Only Contractors who have a DoD ID card or a common access card with a green color bar and computer chip (CAC) are eligible to participate. ALL CARDS WITH AN EXPIRED DATE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED..
Sec.4. For Men's Teams participating in the Military World Tournament, Players may participate in only one (1) division of play Varsity "A", Varsity "B", or Intramural. TDY personnel are eligible to compete in the World Tournament if the TDY assignment is 6 months or more in duration. For Women's Teams participating in the Military World Tournament, Players may participate in only one (1) Division of play Varsity or Intramural.
Sec.5. Teams comprised of players from only one installation are eligible to compete in the following divisions: Men's Varsity B and Intramural and Women's Intramural. Men's and Women's teams with players from more than one installation MUST play in the Men's Varsity A Division and Women's Varsity Division.
A. Player Eligibility:
1. Men's Varsity A rosters must provide a valid CAC or DoD card to participate at this level.
a. Male players whose names appears on the Major Player List, Watch List, on a Men's Class A Roster are not eligible to compete in the Men's Varsity A Program unless they are Active Military./ retired.
b. Men's Varsity A rosters are limited to two (2) player who possesses a DD214 with a Honorable Discharge.
2. Men's Varsity B rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. Active duty reservists must provide a copy of PCS orders with Military ID at registration, which places them at current military installation or command.
c. All other eligible players including retirees, DOD contractors (which must provide DoD Common Access Card with green bar) and dependents must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Men's Varsity B teams are limited to one (1) contractor and one (1) player who possess a DD214 with an Honorable Discharge.
d. Players who competed on a Men's Varsity B but have been transferred to a base which does not have a team may request a waiver from the USSSA National Military Program Director to play for their former team for a period of one year from the date of transfer.
e. Men's teams that cannot provide player eligibility documents will be moved to the Varsity B program.
f. Exception: Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary Duty
3. Men's Intramural rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. All other eligible players including retirees, DOD contractors must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Men's Intramural teams are limited to one (1) contractor.
c. Men's teams that cannot provide player eligibility documents will be moved to the Men's Intramural program.
d. Male players whose name appeared on any Military Varsity A Roster the previous year are not eligible to compete in the Men's Intramural program.
e. Exception; Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary Duty
4. Women's Varsity rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. All other eligible players including retirees must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Women's Varsity teams are limited to one (1) contractor. Women players whose names appears on the Women's Class A Roster are not eligible to compete in the Women's Varsity Program unless they are Active Military./ retired
c. Exception; Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
d. Women's Varsity rosters are limited to two (2) player who possesses a DD214 with a Honorable Discharge.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary
Sec.5. Teams must play in at least one USSSA Military Tournament or participate in a USSSA sanctioned league to be eligible to advance to the Military World Tournament. A team can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Director.
Sec.6. The top ten (10) percent of the finishing teams in the Men's Military Varsity "A", Varsity "B", and Intramural World Tournaments must move up to the next higher classification the following year. Teams moved up will remain in the higher classification until the team is reclassified by the USSSA National Military Director.
Sec.7. Courtesy Runner
A. Only one courtesy runner per inning may be used. The courtesy runner will be the last recorded out. If it is the first inning and there are no outs, the courtesy runner will be the player in the last position of the batting order.
Sec.8. In the Military Program, a minimum of 9 Players can start a Game. However, an out shall be declared when the 10th position in the lineup is scheduled to bat. A 10th Player may be added in the 10th position any time before the end of a game. Any team that starts a Game with 10, 11, or 12 Players may drop to the minimum of 9 Players to
finish the Game. All vacant spot(s) in the lineup will be declared an out every time that lineup position is due to bat. If a Team starts with 9 or 10 Players they are not allowed to add the 11th or 12th Player at a later time. Any Player that leaves the Game for any reason may not return to the Game. (This does not apply to normal re-entry and substitution ) Exception: A Player, who has left the Game under the Blood Rule, may return.
Note: The defensive team may walk the preceding batter or multiple batters to get to the position or positions in the lineup that is an out due to having started with 9 players or having dropped to 9 or 10 players. There are no base appeals when this results in the third out of the inning.
Run Rule and when to Flip/Flop
Military 20 after 3 After 2nd
15 after 4 After 3rd
10 after 5 After 4th
Home Run Rule
Military Varsity A 12
Military Varsity B 4
Military Intramural 2
(AFTER 2 HOMERUNS EVERY HOMERUN AFTER THAT IS AN INNING ENDING OUT)
Sec.9. All playing rules not specifically covered in this rule section shall be governed by the other rules as outlined in Rules 1 through 10 of this Rule Book.
2015 Military Program
Policy & Procedures 0039H
Sec. 1. The Military Men's Program shall feature 3 Divisions Military Varsity "A", "B", and Intramural.
Sec. 2. The Military Women's Program shall feature 1 Divisions; Women's Military Varsity.
Sec.3. A bona fide Men's Military Team consists of Active Duty and spouses, Reserves, ROTC, National Guard, retired military personnel and Department of Defense civilians. All Players must have a Department of Defense Identification card. A bona fide Women's Military Team consists of Active Duty and spouses, Reserves, ROTC, National Guard, retired military, and Department of Defense civilians.. All players must have a government identification card. Retired military personnel and retired Department of defense civilians are eligible to play with a team from the state where they retired or a team from the state of their permanent address. Only Contractors who have a DoD ID card or a common access card with a green color bar and computer chip (CAC) are eligible to participate. ALL CARDS WITH AN EXPIRED DATE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED..
Sec.4. For Men's Teams participating in the Military World Tournament, Players may participate in only one (1) division of play Varsity "A", Varsity "B", or Intramural. TDY personnel are eligible to compete in the World Tournament if the TDY assignment is 6 months or more in duration. For Women's Teams participating in the Military World Tournament, Players may participate in only one (1) Division of play Varsity or Intramural.
Sec.5. Teams comprised of players from only one installation are eligible to compete in the following divisions: Men's Varsity B and Intramural and Women's Intramural. Men's and Women's teams with players from more than one installation MUST play in the Men's Varsity A Division and Women's Varsity Division.
A. Player Eligibility:
1. Men's Varsity A rosters must provide a valid CAC or DoD card to participate at this level.
a. Male players whose names appears on the Major Player List, Watch List, on a Men's Class A Roster are not eligible to compete in the Men's Varsity A Program unless they are Active Military./ retired.
b. Men's Varsity A rosters are limited to two (2) player who possesses a DD214 with a Honorable Discharge.
2. Men's Varsity B rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. Active duty reservists must provide a copy of PCS orders with Military ID at registration, which places them at current military installation or command.
c. All other eligible players including retirees, DOD contractors (which must provide DoD Common Access Card with green bar) and dependents must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Men's Varsity B teams are limited to one (1) contractor and one (1) player who possess a DD214 with an Honorable Discharge.
d. Players who competed on a Men's Varsity B but have been transferred to a base which does not have a team may request a waiver from the USSSA National Military Program Director to play for their former team for a period of one year from the date of transfer.
e. Men's teams that cannot provide player eligibility documents will be moved to the Varsity B program.
f. Exception: Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary Duty
3. Men's Intramural rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. All other eligible players including retirees, DOD contractors must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Men's Intramural teams are limited to one (1) contractor.
c. Men's teams that cannot provide player eligibility documents will be moved to the Men's Intramural program.
d. Male players whose name appeared on any Military Varsity A Roster the previous year are not eligible to compete in the Men's Intramural program.
e. Exception; Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary Duty
4. Women's Varsity rosters must provide the following documents:
a. Guard and reservists must provide documentation showing they are assigned to an armory and/or unit within 120 miles of the military installation or command they are competing for. Guard and reservists outside 120 miles must get the permission of the USSSA Military National Director.
b. All other eligible players including retirees must show proof of ID and residency from the state/local region they are playing in to prove eligibility. Women's Varsity teams are limited to one (1) contractor. Women players whose names appears on the Women's Class A Roster are not eligible to compete in the Women's Varsity Program unless they are Active Military./ retired
c. Exception; Any player receiving PCS orders within 45 days of the USSSA Military World Tournament can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Program Director.
d. Women's Varsity rosters are limited to two (2) player who possesses a DD214 with a Honorable Discharge.
CAC Common Access Card
DoD Department of Defense
PCS Permanent Change of Station TDY Temporary
Sec.5. Teams must play in at least one USSSA Military Tournament or participate in a USSSA sanctioned league to be eligible to advance to the Military World Tournament. A team can request an exception from the USSSA National Military Director.
Sec.6. The top ten (10) percent of the finishing teams in the Men's Military Varsity "A", Varsity "B", and Intramural World Tournaments must move up to the next higher classification the following year. Teams moved up will remain in the higher classification until the team is reclassified by the USSSA National Military Director.
Sec.7. Courtesy Runner
A. Only one courtesy runner per inning may be used. The courtesy runner will be the last recorded out. If it is the first inning and there are no outs, the courtesy runner will be the player in the last position of the batting order.
Sec.8. In the Military Program, a minimum of 9 Players can start a Game. However, an out shall be declared when the 10th position in the lineup is scheduled to bat. A 10th Player may be added in the 10th position any time before the end of a game. Any team that starts a Game with 10, 11, or 12 Players may drop to the minimum of 9 Players to
finish the Game. All vacant spot(s) in the lineup will be declared an out every time that lineup position is due to bat. If a Team starts with 9 or 10 Players they are not allowed to add the 11th or 12th Player at a later time. Any Player that leaves the Game for any reason may not return to the Game. (This does not apply to normal re-entry and substitution ) Exception: A Player, who has left the Game under the Blood Rule, may return.
Note: The defensive team may walk the preceding batter or multiple batters to get to the position or positions in the lineup that is an out due to having started with 9 players or having dropped to 9 or 10 players. There are no base appeals when this results in the third out of the inning.
Run Rule and when to Flip/Flop
Military 20 after 3 After 2nd
15 after 4 After 3rd
10 after 5 After 4th
Home Run Rule
Military Varsity A 12
Military Varsity B 4
Military Intramural 2
(AFTER 2 HOMERUNS EVERY HOMERUN AFTER THAT IS AN INNING ENDING OUT)
Sec.9. All playing rules not specifically covered in this rule section shall be governed by the other rules as outlined in Rules 1 through 10 of this Rule Book.
jeffscheel
WhatCutoffMan
Think it's funny that we limit how many DD214 holders we can have but contractors are pretty wide open. Kind of a slap in the face to veterans that may want to participate. I for one would like to see the limited amount of DD214 go away.
