A rolled bat out hits a stock bat. The whole bat is broken in with a huge sweetspot. Is it cheating? yes but it does not come close to shaving a bat. To many puss bags out there heres a hint get some bp in break your bat in. You might even hit the ball harder then you used to after praticing.
If a guy rolls bats for others....
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hookumsnivy
Addicted to Softballfans
WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!
Read the freaking rule book. ASA, USSSA, NSA, take your pick it's in all of them. Rolling is cheating. You can't argue that fact until they decide to change the rules.
Whether you think it gives you an advantage or not, it is considered an altered bat by those associations (and probably others as well). If you swing an altered bat, it is cheating. It's that simple.
Tynimiller
Recovering SBF addict
but you argued its the same as swinging and hitting balls during bp.....um...if it was associations wouldn't deem it illegal. Not the same is a fact, you may view it as equal though which is your opinion.
Tynimiller
Recovering SBF addict
quoted for great post.
AveregeJay
Banned User
What exactly are you trying to say?
coleman135
Lead Farmer Mother****er
Threads like this give me a headache. There is no point in arguing with these dumb asses. They are going to use a rolled bat regarless of what we say.
hookumsnivy
Addicted to Softballfans
Thank you. You admitted it's against the rules, that's all I wanted to hear.
I won't argue with you about it being a stupid rule. I'm torn on that one. I see both sides of it.
Derek01
D + BP DON'T= C
There is no way to tell if a bat has been rolled, even the Easton reveals. I don't understand why people comlain about rolling when all it does is break in the bat faster, there really is no altering of the bat like when one get shaved. Rolling is not a big deal in my book. Most guys I know have had this done.
cdamron13
scerred of sbf
my last post in this thread is as follows
if you pay money for your bat and want it rolled....I don't give a ****
if a guy rolls bats or rides around with a rolling machine in his trunk.....I don't give a ****
if I want to roll one of my bats and it decreases the life.....I don't give a ****
if you people want to talk about integrity, cheating, etc. bcus ppl on here do it and ppl look down on those who do it....I don't give a ****
Brawh, point, match......
if you pay money for your bat and want it rolled....I don't give a ****
if a guy rolls bats or rides around with a rolling machine in his trunk.....I don't give a ****
if I want to roll one of my bats and it decreases the life.....I don't give a ****
if you people want to talk about integrity, cheating, etc. bcus ppl on here do it and ppl look down on those who do it....I don't give a ****
Brawh, point, match......
93chromedaytona
Addicted to Softballfans
Who rolls the area by the endcap or even close to the taper?
I can't see how anyone can complain about people having their bats rolled, when they swing a composite bat themselves. If everyone is so righteous and loyal to the sanctions of softball, I guess you guys are returning your composites when they start to exceed the legal limits. Whats the difference between having a bat thats "a little" hotter than the legal limit, or a shaved bat that is "a lot" hotter than the legal limit. Rules are rules right? I in no way support swinging shaved bats in games (and have never used one in a game), but have no problems with rolled bats. I actually support rolled bats, $20 at a time.
Paulypal
Addicted to Softballfans
Well I cant argue that its not a rule. Nor did I ever say it wasnt a rule. I just contend that the rule makes no sense at all.
AJ22
Super Moderator
Because the associations say so ... but many many players who understand what a composite bat is and what a composite bat can do, don't think its cheating.
And btw, those players make up the associations. How many people who make up these rules understand what a composite bat is or can do ? Especially in ASA. If they really knew, all bats that exceed the 98 mph standard would be taking out of play. There obviously is a reason WHY all pre 2008 bats are going for good money now. Because ASA grandfathered those bats in ? WOW ... what about the rules ?
You guys are great. Do you ever speed? It's illegal, ever download a cd without paying for it? That's illegal. We all do illegal things every day that we don't get caught. Rolling a bat to me is on the same level. I'm sure everyone crying about rolled bats have never done anything illegal.
AJ22
Super Moderator
HAHAHA You guys kill me with this argument ok so by your thinking if someone rapes someone but does not get caught its ok.
AveregeJay
Banned User
It's a bat, this is nothing like what you said.
Tynimiller
Recovering SBF addict
speeding and downloading cd arguement is just as moronic...I think that's all he was going for.
Ask roethlisberger, only when it happens twice. Obviously that's different, ppl are arguing that it is not that big of a deal, but is still illegal. I'm saying it is about as illegal as pirating music and speeding...illegal yeah, but not that big of a deal. Shaving is a bigger deal to me.
AH23
Addicted to Softballfans
By the same logic, drug dealers and pimps are good. Both are illegal (rolling bats is against the rules) but since there is a demand it is GTG?
AH23
Addicted to Softballfans
That is it, man!
Tynimiller
Recovering SBF addict
Yes shaving is a much bigger deal. Big ben thats funny he stil got away with it for the most part.
hookumsnivy
Addicted to Softballfans
I never said it was a good rule, just said that it was a rule.
The grandfathered bats thing is obviously stupid too.
Unfortunately they didn't have many options.
If they outlawed the bats, everyone would be bitching that they spent $300+ on a bat they couldn't use. Only way around that would be to convince the manufactures to replace those bats for free - kinda like Combat did w/ the Lady Virus (though for a completely different reason).
If the associations really cared about the safety issue, they would outlaw composites and go back to metal which typically degrades over time instead of improving. The bat companies would flip the **** though. Composite it so much more cost effective for them. I think it's cheaper for them to make, and because of the makeup, they will break forcing you to buy a new one.
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cdamron13
scerred of sbf
By the same logic, drug dealers and pimps are good. Both are illegal (rolling bats is against the rules) but since there is a demand it is GTG?
ok, this lured me back to this thread.....to answer your questions...
depends on the quality of the product and the prices that go along w/said product....
a dime bag and an Asian prostitute w/fake breasts sounds like a great time to me....
gtg here
coleman135
Lead Farmer Mother****er
In for the Asian prostitutes
bugworm
<font color="#0000ff">topgunn#3</font>
People, dont be naive! Why do all the NR bats on this site sell faster than used or NIW bats? Its not because they are that much cheaper
i agree, here is a fact for you: someone i know in texas who runs a bat shaving company said 3,500 bats crossed his desk last year! he is just 1 of god knows how many people who do this for a living. that just blew me away!
