Ryan Braun wins appeal

Marshenko

Well-Known Member
Brauns lawyers have won, this is why I have such contempt for most of them (Lawyers). People are so easy to distract and confuse, no one is focusing on the fact that there was SYNTHETIC ****ING TESTOSTERONE IN HIS URINE, WITH A VERIFIED SEAL THAT WAS NOT BROKEN ON THE SAMPLE, + HIS T/E RATIO WAS OVER 20:1 (4:1 triggers investigation).....instead all anyone is talking about is some 53 yo (most likely Brewers fan which gives him ZERO MOTIVE to tamper), FED-EX locations, was it frozen, not-frozen.......WHO THE **** CARES! THEY GUY ****ING CHEATED! GET OVER IT!

To be fair ... when you are testing someone as to whether or not they are following the rules, and you don't follow the rules ...

That being said, everyone knows he's a cheater, and even more pathetic was his statement. Everyone knew you were a cheater, and you got off because of ****ed up protocol. Don't go in front of people and say "the truth won" and ****.
 

FAT JESUS

More than likely
This just proves that most or all of these guys just couldnt care less what anyone thinks, and why should they? They make hundreds of millions of dollars to play a game, have fame, free *****, free drugs, yes men, etc.....Lying right to our faces is nothing to them. Having said that I want to be clear that I dont begrudge anyone of these guys their success, I just would respect them if they said "yeah I did it, sorry I made a mistake, there is a lot on the line and I did what I thought I had to do to be at the top". Cause let me tell you, if someone told me right now that if I took an illegal pill it would quadruple my salary I would ****in do it in a second. Nobody else in this world is going to put money in my account, FTW. I just dont like being lied to like a stupid 12 year old. One reason why I hate Clemens and Bonds so much. Giambi, no problem, he sucked it up and owned it, those other two fat-heads can go have a grabber at Morton's for all I care.
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
, I just would respect them if they said "yeah I did it, sorry I made a mistake, there is a lot on the line and I did what I thought I had to do to be at the top". I just dont like being lied to like a stupid 12 year old. One reason why I hate Clemens and Bonds so much. Giambi, no problem, he sucked it up and owned it, those other two fat-heads can go have a grabber at Morton's for all I care.

This is why I'm not 100% convinced Braun is innocent in all this. He can say all he wants to the cameras and bring up his past with the negative tests and everything but it just takes one positive to tarnish his career. The more I read about the process and what went down never once during the appeal process did he and his team deny/refute the positive test, and that really bothers me. It was all about the handling of the specimen. Until we know all the details and unless he and his defense team come out and explain why his sample even came out positive I'm starting to lean toward the "OJ" side of all this.
With that said, the "homer" in me is ecstatic he doesn't have to serve a suspension. :D
 

ssf

Too tired to care
Giambi, no problem, he sucked it up and owned it, those other two fat-heads can go have a grabber at Morton's for all I care.

Well -- not exactly. It took him years to own up to it specifically. Before that, all he'd say is 'sorry' but wouldn't elaborate on what he was supposed to be sorry for.
 

doG

dabz
This is why I'm not 100% convinced Braun is innocent in all this. He can say all he wants to the cameras and bring up his past with the negative tests and everything but it just takes one positive to tarnish his career. The more I read about the process and what went down never once during the appeal process did he and his team deny/refute the positive test, and that really bothers me. It was all about the handling of the specimen. Until we know all the details and unless he and his defense team come out and explain why his sample even came out positive I'm starting to lean toward the "OJ" side of all this.
With that said, the "homer" in me is ecstatic he doesn't have to serve a suspension. :D

I cant believe you would even be 10% sure he is totally innocent. That being said, if I went and took a drug test at the probation department and my PO took the sample home for 2 days and said I was dirty Id be pretty pissed off no pun intended. No shame in being happy about the outcome as a Brewers fan. You guys woulda been lucky to go 10 games under/.500 without Bruan.
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
I cant believe you would even be 10% sure he is totally innocent. That being said, if I went and took a drug test at the probation department and my PO took the sample home for 2 days and said I was dirty Id be pretty pissed off no pun intended. No shame in being happy about the outcome as a Brewers fan. You guys woulda been lucky to go 10 games under/.500 without Bruan.

The more I read about this the % of me believing him gets lower and lower daily. His defense/p.r. team better have something else to present as evidence besides just the mishandling of the specimen.
And as far as the .500...without Braun in the lineup they're a slightly above
.500 team with their pitching staff. With Braun they're playoff contenders.
 

FAT JESUS

More than likely
Well -- not exactly. It took him years to own up to it specifically. Before that, all he'd say is 'sorry' but wouldn't elaborate on what he was supposed to be sorry for.

Right but its about as good as we are gonna get from these guys.
 

STLCoach

Nobiscum Deus
I cant believe you would even be 10% sure he is totally innocent. That being said, if I went and took a drug test at the probation department and my PO took the sample home for 2 days and said I was dirty Id be pretty pissed off no pun intended. No shame in being happy about the outcome as a Brewers fan. You guys woulda been lucky to go 10 games under/.500 without Bruan.

I don't believe he's innocent at all. Not even 5% or 1% for that matter.. I believe he did it, got caught, got a lawyer, and with the help of former Brewers owner/MLB Commissioner Bud Selig got off scott free on a technicality not related to his actual testing results. Just goes to show if you're a superstar in the MLB you can take roids and still play on opening day.. Why stop here? Let Manny Ramirez off his 50 game suspension too.. Put Bonds, Palmero, and McGwire in the Hall of Fame while we're at it. :rolleyes:
 

Carbone13

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I don't believe he's innocent at all. Not even 5% or 1% for that matter.. I believe he did it, got caught, got a lawyer, and with the help of former Brewers owner/MLB Commissioner Bud Selig got off scott free on a technicality not related to his actual testing results. Just goes to show if you're a superstar in the MLB you can take roids and still play on opening day.. Why stop here? Let Manny Ramirez off his 50 game suspension too.. Put Bonds, Palmero, and McGwire in the Hall of Fame while we're at it. :rolleyes:

Very forgiving of you.
 

STLCoach

Nobiscum Deus
Very forgiving of you.

Gotta own what you say brotha.. If you say you didn't do it and the evidence (In this case) showed irrefutable evidence to contradict that statement through a blood test. Just admit it like A-Rod, Mac, Canseco, and a few others have done. Don't be a Bonds, Palmero, or Clemons who keeps fighting it and living their lie. Forgiveness comes with confession of the truth.
 

Carbone13

<font color="#4F4F4F">SBF Fund Donor</font>
Gotta own what you say brotha.. If you say you didn't do it and the evidence (In this case) showed irrefutable evidence to contradict that statement through a blood test. Just admit it like A-Rod, Mac, Canseco, and a few others have done. Don't be a Bonds, Palmero, or Clemons who keeps fighting it and living their lie. Forgiveness comes with confession of the truth.

The guys you mentioned only fessed up after the penalties were no longer enforceable. Whatever man.
 

BoxerGT2.5

Addicted to Softballfans
Signed, sealed, tagged, Braun's signature confirming the tamper proof strips placed on the containers were there and the specimens were sealed in his presence. Specimens received with intact tamper strips on the containers (matching those numbers on the forms), **** yeah he's totally innocent. ;)


BTW....Most Fedex locations don't pick up on Saturday's.
 

p17

SBFs 16th all time poster
The collector has spoken. He followed his job to a T

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/35020024

Last week Ryan Braun held a press conference to tell his side of his positive test, casting doubt and innuendo on the collector of his sample. He didn't name Dino Laurenzi Jr., but his name came out anyway shortly after Braun's press conference.

On Tuesday, Laurenzi released a statement:

On February 24th, Ryan Braun stated during his press conference that "there were a lot of things that we learned about the collector, about the collection process, about the way that the entire thing worked that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened." Shortly thereafter, someone who had intimate knowledge of the facts of this case released my name to the media. I am issuing this statement to set the record straight.

I am a 1983 graduate of the University of Wisconsin and have received Master Degrees from the University of North Carolina and Loyola University of Chicago. My full-time job is the director of rehabilitation services at a health care facility. In the past, I have worked as a teacher and an athletic trainer, including performing volunteer work with Olympic athletes. I am a member of both the National Athletic Trainers' Association and the Wisconsin Athletic Trainers' Association.

I have been a drug collector for Comprehensive Drug Testing since 2005 and have been performing collections for Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program since that time. I have performed over 600 collections for MLB and also have performed collections for other professional sports leagues. I have performed post-season collections for MLB in four separate seasons involving five different clubs.

On October 1, 2011, I collected samples from Mr. Braun and two other players. The CDT collection team for that day, in addition to me, included three chaperones and a CDT coordinator. One of the chaperones was my son, Anthony. Chaperones do not have any role in the actual collection process, but rather escort the player to the collection area.

I followed the same procedure in collecting Mr. Braun's sample as I did in the hundreds of other samples I collected under the Program. I sealed the bottles containing Mr. Braun's A and B samples with specially-numbered, tamper-resistant seals, and Mr. Braun signed a form certifying, among other things, that the specimens were capped and sealed in his presence and that the specimen identification numbers on the top of the form matched those on the seals.

I placed the two bottles containing Mr. Braun's samples in a plastic bag and sealed the bag. I then placed the sealed bag in a standard cardboard Specimen Box which I also sealed with a tamper-resistant, correspondingly-numbered seal placed over the box opening. I then placed Mr. Braun's Specimen Box, and the Specimen Boxes containing the samples of the two other players, in a Federal Express Clinic Pack. None of the sealed Specimen Boxes identified the players. I completed my collections at Miller Park at approximately 5:00 p.m. Given the lateness of the hour that I completed my collections, there was no FedEx office located within 50 miles of Miller Park that would ship packages that day or Sunday.

Therefore, the earliest that the specimens could be shipped was Monday, October 3. In that circumstance, CDT has instructed collectors since I began in 2005 that they should safeguard the samples in their homes until FedEx is able to immediately ship the sample to the laboratory, rather than having the samples sit for one day or more at a local FedEx office. The protocol has been in place since 2005 when I started with CDT and there have been other occasions when I have had to store samples in my home for at least one day, all without incident.

The FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braun's samples never left my custody. Consistent with CDT's instructions, I brought the FedEx Clinic Pack containing the samples to my home. Immediately upon arriving home, I placed the FedEx Clinic Pack in a Rubbermaid container in my office which is located in my basement. My basement office is sufficiently cool to store urine samples. No one other than my wife was in my home during the period in which the samples were stored. The sealed Specimen Boxes were not removed from the FedEx Clinic Pack during the entire period in which they were in my home. On Monday, October 3, I delivered the FedEx Clinic Pack containing Mr. Braun's Specimen Box to a FedEx office for delivery to the laboratory on Tuesday, October 4. At no point did I tamper in any way with the samples. It is my understanding that the samples were received at the laboratory with all tamper-resistant seals intact.

This situation has caused great emotional distress for me and my family. I have worked hard my entire life, have performed my job duties with integrity and professionalism, and have done so with respect to this matter and all other collections in which I have participated. Neither I nor members of my family will make any further public comments on this matter. I request that members of the media, and baseball fans, whatever their views on this matter, respect our privacy. And I would like to sincerely thank my family and friends for their overwhelming support through this difficult time. Any future inquiries should be directed to my attorney Boyd Johnson of Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP.
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
Wow...after reading this I'm extremely disappointed. Puts a damper on the 2011 season and might as well go ahead and put that asterisk next to his MVP award now. Now I feel that the Brewers went after the wrong guy (should've used the money on Prince). Unless Braun's defense team can come up with evidence contrary to what happened, he's guilty as sin and not better than McGwire, Bonds, or Clemens. I also went ahead and did a search for last pick up times for FedEx locations in the Milwaukee area and the last pick up for all of them is 5pm. If the link doesn't show the locations put in zip code 53221.

http://www.fedex.com/Dropoff/SearchAction.do
 

doG

dabz
I don't believe he's innocent at all. Not even 5% or 1% for that matter.. I believe he did it, got caught, got a lawyer, and with the help of former Brewers owner/MLB Commissioner Bud Selig got off scott free on a technicality not related to his actual testing results. Just goes to show if you're a superstar in the MLB you can take roids and still play on opening day.. Why stop here? Let Manny Ramirez off his 50 game suspension too.. Put Bonds, Palmero, and McGwire in the Hall of Fame while we're at it. :rolleyes:

I'd say we are in agreement on that. I pretended Bonds wasnt doing anything wrong for years. I was starving for a championship caliber team and blinded by my love for that team as some of the Brewers fans in here are. I wish the kid the best. Hes too young to be taking that **** anyway. Plenty of time to push the envelope later in his career when his knees and such start to go.
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
I'd say we are in agreement on that. I pretended Bonds wasnt doing anything wrong for years. I was starving for a championship caliber team and blinded by my love for that team as some of the Brewers fans in here are. I wish the kid the best. Hes too young to be taking that **** anyway. Plenty of time to push the envelope later in his career when his knees and such start to go.

Read post #255.
 

doG

dabz
Read post #255.

I was more referring to the dude earlier that kept calling everyone Braun Haters. You seem like a sensible dude. I only meant to imply that I, along with millions of other Americans are rabid sports fans who will defend their team like a little brother if anyone tries to talk **** about them. Hell, the other night at the local hole in the wall casino I watch sports and make my bets at the bartender told this Laker fan that Fisher was washed up and she came over the bar and put her hands around his neck!!!:D
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
I was more referring to the dude earlier that kept calling everyone Braun Haters. You seem like a sensible dude. I only meant to imply that I, along with millions of other Americans are rabid sports fans who will defend their team like a little brother if anyone tries to talk **** about them. Hell, the other night at the local hole in the wall casino I watch sports and make my bets at the bartender told this Laker fan that Fisher was washed up and she came over the bar and put her hands around his neck!!!:D

The one thing I hate is ignorance (which makes me wonder why I'm on here as often as I am) and that's why I wanted to hear all the details from all the sides involved before I cast judgement on what all happened. But after reading about the collector and all he's done for the local community it makes me wonder what he has to gain from tampering the sample. Now with the FedEx locations search I just did, I know I would feel more comfortable with my sample being in the hands of someone that my union agreed to.
And I agree about backing your local teams. Loved the Brewers since 1980 and always will but Braun better explain why his test was positive instead of just claiming he's innocent when science is saying he's not.
 

Fro Joe

Snowden is a hero.
The more I read about this the % of me believing him gets lower and lower daily. His defense/p.r. team better have something else to present as evidence besides just the mishandling of the specimen.
And as far as the .500...without Braun in the lineup they're a slightly above
.500 team with their pitching staff. With Braun they're playoff contenders.

Last year Braun had a WAR(wins above replacement) of 7.8. Last year Fielder was 5.5 with A. Ramirez at 3.6 .
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
Last year Braun had a WAR(wins above replacement) of 7.8. Last year Fielder was 5.5 with A. Ramirez at 3.6 .

I didn't think Fielders WAR was that much lower compared to Braun's but that's interesting. Take away Braun's 8 (rounding up) and the Crew finish roughly around 88 wins. Decent record but not enough to qualify for the playoffs obviously. I think the big question this year will be how the combination of Gamel and Ramirez replace Prince's numbers. Interesting link to a blog talking about Gamel holding the key to the season now that Braun will play (and hopefully his numbers won't dip too drastically because I'm sure he'll be tested quite frequently)

http://chippewa.com/blogs/brandon-b...cle_ac6c6d62-2514-11e1-8f9c-001871e3ce6c.html
 

Mattdawg18

Schmoozerator on SBZ
First he didn't do it because he was being treated for an STD, then they found the loophole in the delivery terms, Braun has a press conference still denying any wrongdoing and now this has been refuted by the delivery guy himself and given these facts........MLB is still letting him play rather than appealing the appeal. SMH
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
First he didn't do it because he was being treated for an STD, then they found the loophole in the delivery terms, Braun has a press conference still denying any wrongdoing and now this has been refuted by the delivery guy himself and given these facts........MLB is still letting him play rather than appealing the appeal. SMH

The medical condition/STD was all media driven. Never came out from his team that he had a condition. He refuted that in his press conference. Everything else is correct. Not sure if MLB will appeal the ruling, no indication that they will. One thing for sure is that he will definitely be "randomly" tested from now on.
 

Stout33

Addicted to Softballfans
Wow...after reading this I'm extremely disappointed. Puts a damper on the 2011 season and might as well go ahead and put that asterisk next to his MVP award now. Now I feel that the Brewers went after the wrong guy (should've used the money on Prince). Unless Braun's defense team can come up with evidence contrary to what happened, he's guilty as sin and not better than McGwire, Bonds, or Clemens. I also went ahead and did a search for last pick up times for FedEx locations in the Milwaukee area and the last pick up for all of them is 5pm. If the link doesn't show the locations put in zip code 53221.

http://www.fedex.com/Dropoff/SearchAction.do

Remember Braun signed his deal a couple of years ago at a discount. Prince was never willing to do that. Brauns deal is based on money FAs were making a decade or more ago. 150m over 13 and tops out at 19m during his prime years. 11.5m a year average, thats a hell of a deal even if he has some drop off in numbers.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/milwaukee-brewers/ryan-braun/

As far as pickup, MLB cant afford to reimburse the guy to drop off at the FedEx airport hub?
 
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STLCoach

Nobiscum Deus
Wow...after reading this I'm extremely disappointed. Puts a damper on the 2011 season and might as well go ahead and put that asterisk next to his MVP award now. Now I feel that the Brewers went after the wrong guy (should've used the money on Prince). Unless Braun's defense team can come up with evidence contrary to what happened, he's guilty as sin and not better than McGwire, Bonds, or Clemens. I also went ahead and did a search for last pick up times for FedEx locations in the Milwaukee area and the last pick up for all of them is 5pm. If the link doesn't show the locations put in zip code 53221.

http://www.fedex.com/Dropoff/SearchAction.do

This is a very true statement. Plus.. Prince plays 162 total games a year. I know it's only at 1B ..but still, Prince has true Babe Ruth fat guy power. His roids are probably hot dogs and steaks.
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
Remember Braun signed his deal a couple of years ago at a discount. Prince was never willing to do that. Brauns deal is based on money FAs were making a decade or more ago. 150m over 13 and tops out at 19m during his prime years. 11.5m a year average, thats a hell of a deal even if he has some drop off in numbers.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/milwaukee-brewers/ryan-braun/

As far as pickup, MLB cant afford to reimburse the guy to drop off at the FedEx airport hub?

Yeah I know his deal is very friendly to the organization and the fact that he wants to be in Milwaukee is huge as well. Also throw in the fact that Prince projects to be a DH, makes the money spent on Braun a good deal but the spector of PEDs will always haunt him. Plus you can't discount Prince's leadership in the clubhouse. Love it or hate it he was the one who started the whole Beast Mode thing last year.
Also, I read that about the Saturday pickup deal. Where its extra money to have a Saturday express pickup. From what I understand it still would've had to sit in a FedEx warehouse somewhere.
 

cheato

TRACKIN'
Remember Braun signed his deal a couple of years ago at a discount. Prince was never willing to do that. Brauns deal is based on money FAs were making a decade or more ago. 150m over 13 and tops out at 19m during his prime years. 11.5m a year average, thats a hell of a deal even if he has some drop off in numbers.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/milwaukee-brewers/ryan-braun/

As far as pickup, MLB cant afford to reimburse the guy to drop off at the FedEx airport hub?

the specimen would not have been mailed until Monday, the company he works for instructs handlers to take care of the sample UNTIL FEDEX can immediately ship
 

obiwan

11 Bravo
the specimen would not have been mailed until Monday, the company he works for instructs handlers to take care of the sample UNTIL FEDEX can immediately ship

Exactly...and Braun's statement about the locations within range of Miller Park is not exactly true. FedEx Kinko's doesn't count. Until his defense team can prove that Dino or someone else tampered with his specimen public opinion won't change the perception that he's a cheater.
 
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