arguing with umpires
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EdFred
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I do, unsanctioned, and always get my ass out from behind the plate. That's why I complain about those that don't.
franknwhit
Game on!
Umpired for 15 yrs. still umpire a couple benefit tourneys. A ump i use to work with told me make your call and sell it and stick with it right or wrong most times players will not *****. You don't argue with the players or players you tell them what you called and that's it play on. If they keep arguing a warning is given and that's it. They're is no need to argue just tell you did not like the call and play on. Umps make mistakes just like players do.
ktown808
The Unknowns
Son of a...well at least mine is from my fat fingers on my iPhone! Lol
As far as umps go, I hate arguing because many of them hold grudges so I just let it go (in league anyways).
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coolluvr4u1976
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I umpire, and the only time i say something about a call, is when the Umpire had no way to actually make a decent call on the play because he can't get out of his Bubble the surrounds home plate....
When I do umpire, i am running down the line and am out around the pitcher's mound to make call's... and yes most of the time I am the only umpire for the game... yes I am sure i have blown a call, but usually it's the super close calls, that doesnt matter how you call it, one team will let you hear about it lol...
I actually had someone question how i could call someone "safe" when the ball clearly beat the guy to the bag....
my response lol... Well the guy tagged him on his upper thigh, and just because the ball beats someone to the bag doesnt mean he is out....
louconn
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can't afford? haha, u trying to burn my town? oooooo, good one. the side fences end at the light poles on the side lines. catch was made mid way between hr fence and light pole. i'd say our fields are pretty damn nice. right along the river with great mountain views. they're even nicer than these old pics depict.
louconn
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i dont know how old that pic is. much more developed now. infields are better shaped, grass is thick and plush. honestly, they are pretty nice fields. i would say both of our complexes are above average.
alberts35
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Calls on the bases no need to argue, they're dealing with limited view like any other base ump. Balls and strikes, if I know the home plate ump is also a player in the league and I don't like their strike call, I'll jokingly ask if they could have hit that pitch, and thats the end of it. It's recreation sport no sense in busting balls.
swingnmiss
#1 IN YOUR HEARTS
I don't expect an umpire to reverse a poor call........That's just silly. I'm not arguing about the call in order for them to reverse it, but to make them aware that their call was **** and for them to know that we all saw it, so that they'll get their head out and do a better job on the next call.
Really?.........If we don't question a poor call, where is their incentive to try to do a better job on the next play?
Really?.........If we don't question a poor call, where is their incentive to try to do a better job on the next play?
BigBL87
29 oz, you say?
If I "argue" a call, it normally doesn't go beyond a sentence because I know it won't change anything. Moreso just voicing my displeasure. Only time it will go beyond that is if I believe they are misapplying/misinterpreting a rule. Had it happen recently where a base coach pulled a runner who rolled his ankle as he came back to/overran first, to get him back in contact with the bag. We got into a lengthy conversation with the umpire, who said after we pointed out the rule that "it wasn't his call to make" and said to talk to the LD. We told him it WAS his call as an umpire and it was a pretty cut and dried situation. Ended up being told by the LD to "have some compassion for the injured player" and drop it. Lost the game by a good margin anyway so it didn't matter in the long run, but it's a good example of a time where arguing/discussing a call actually makes sense.
spartyfaith
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I had a ump who told me he appreciate my talking with him about his calls, he said it made him work harder. We get along well.
swingnmiss
#1 IN YOUR HEARTS
If you're civil, it should be no big deal. I bitched about a couple of strike calls last night to the umpire. He said he was doing his best.....Can't fault him for that. It's the ones that don't care that are the worst. After the game we talked about it and neither one of us were still upset about it.
Swilldog
Everyone loves bombs!
Yep you are right and funny lol
funfitfriendly
Starting Player
I have questioned umpire calls and rule interpretations. I have rarely won a call on umpires discretion but have got umps to change their position on rule interpretations , mainly because i know my rules as well if not better then some umps. I won one the other day, the ump called a ground hit that hit third base intitially a fowl ball, I called out hey it hit the bag its a fair ball,he said oh yeah you are right and reversed the call.
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jsam21238
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If you think cursing is needed to be ejected, you are sadly mistaken. This is what will get you tossed " just said to him, we're paying you to be here and you're paid to call the game by the rules so you might want to open that book they gave you at the meeting we were both at...."
And you're there to play ball not call the game. Don't do it on the field talk to the LD who was sitting right there after the game.
The infield fly rule is to protect the batting team. Why would you be upset if he didn't call it for your defensive team? Also you only stated that there were 2 runners on base, you didn't say what bases they were on. If one of those runners was on 3rd base, it would not be an infield fly rule situation. In the foul situation, was the ball caught? If not did it land foul and he call the batter out?
There are just some situations where its called for. If you're paying to play and don't have a sponsor, then its not really rec, its not some pick up game. Its still just for fun, but I think you have a right to TALK to the umpire. You can't call him out on something in front of everyone, more than likely it will get you 0 calls for the rest of the game. But when you're paying to play, balls and strikes are something that should be called a lot closer since they are right behind the plate. I hate swinging at crap I know is a ball, but if you put it in blue's hands its going to go either way, and there is nothing you can do. My wife, who is 5' 0" has strike 3 called on her on a ball that gets no higher than 4' (We have the 6 and 10 rule). I simply asked him "if she is 5 foot, and it got no higher than a foot below her head, how is that a strike?" He wouldn't even look at me. She gets frustrated because they either call her on strikes she has to lumberjack to hit, or use a pitching wedge. It takes the fun out of the game when they can't even get balls and strikes right. She gets pissed at me because i say wait for your pitch, but she rarely gets anything to hit because they are all strikes and she has to hack at anything close with any count. I can see missing close plays on bases since there is only one ump, but at least get the height of the pitch correct.
The Crimedog
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Lay down the law son, lay that ish down.
oppo
Coach
Arguing a judgement is a waste of time. Arguing rule interpretations is also a waste of time. If it is an incorrect rule interpretation, explain your point and then protest. There is no need to act like a fool. If the ump is intentionally blowing calls to get the game over early and is dumb enough to admit to it, it is time to have a chat with the LD. There is never a reason to be "that guy". There is also no reason for an umpire to try and convince a player he made the right call. That is even worse than a player arguing.
funfitfriendly
Starting Player
Reading these messages on umpiring is fascinating. it appears the majority of players doesn't think discussing calls with an umpire helps the situation. Wrong, wrong ...just because a majority feels something about an issue does not make it the the right way. In the past I was a carded umpire and never had a problem with anyone questioning me on a rule interpretation, they could even say something about a discretionary call. i would not hold it against them, umpires in general are a little more professional then that. One message on this topic, said they would protest a rule interpretation rathern then discussing it with an umpire is silly. Why would you launch a formal protest before discussing it with an umpire. If its rec ball I don't mind clarifying the rule for an enquiring player. its all in how you communicate, just be respectful.
oppo
Coach
Discussing and arguing are two very different things. You might want to read that post again, also. I specifically said you should discuss the call and then protest if necessary.
funfitfriendly
Starting Player
Arguing and discussing are the same thing according to my dictionary Websters Collegiate " argue -to consider the pros and cons of : discuss :" So for me its all in how you argue /discuss the call, just be respectful. I think its respectful of an umpure to explain a call that someone is unclear of. Its not a sign of weakness but of strength. Allowing poor umpires and misplaced calls to go unchallenged leads to more negativity in the long run. Players will go home wishing they said something and feeling t taken advatange of. Poor umpiring is near to player abuse, don't let it happen, say something.
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