Bat doctors will soon become targets for bat manufacturers in 2013

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mnball

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As far as ASA is concerned when using a 52/300 ball a cut bat doesn't do anything to this ball. Distance exit speed ect. The bats that perform best with this particular ball are the stiffer bats not the ones that flex the best.
I think come 2013 ASA will allow all USSSA, NSA bats to be allowed in ASA play as long as you are using the 52/300 ball. Since our league has gone to this ball the only hr hitters are the real homeruns hitters because all the cut bats don't work with this ball, now you have to get stronger yourself and actually have a good swing to hit the ball out of our 300' fences.
I like the way this is going in ASA at least.
 
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there is fixes to eliminating shaved bats, but it comes with a price...... and holding the manufacturer liable would probably force bat manufacturers to either invent that tamperproof bat, or close up shop!! Being a business owner, i wouldn't invest thousands of $'s into producing something, too just have it banned b/c some idiot found a way to alter. The only ones that can be held liable are the players that use em' and the docs themselves. For some reason, I believe that holding the manufacturers liable would just crush the softball industry, but who knows until it happens.
 
sjury

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Business loses are figured into the overall profitability of a company. Walmart, Target, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, and bat manufacturers all account for "X" amount of theft, waste, and loss, and warranty replacement. Do not be fooled into thinking the bat companies will sit and absorb loses, don't think these companies will waste time in court either suing guys that turn bats in their garage, to get nothing out of it. They will do like every other company, figure it into their cost of doing business and move on. Every time a bat gets replaced, banned, etc it does one thing... It costs the consumer money. Bat prices will go up and we, the drones we are, will still fill our bags with $hundreds$ or $thousands$ of dollars of bats, all while bitching about it. Believe this too, the guy that takes his bat and hits a pole with it or goes out in January and hits frozen balls until it breaks costs us money as well.
 
jbo911

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sjury said:
Business loses are figured into the overall profitability of a company. Walmart, Target, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, and bat manufacturers all account for "X" amount of theft, waste, and loss, and warranty replacement. Do not be fooled into thinking the bat companies will sit and absorb loses, don't think these companies will waste time in court either suing guys that turn bats in their garage, to get nothing out of it. They will do like every other company, figure it into their cost of doing business and move on. Every time a bat gets replaced, banned, etc it does one thing... It costs the consumer money. Bat prices will go up and we, the drones we are, will still fill our bags with $hundreds$ or $thousands$ of dollars of bats, all while bitching about it. Believe this too, the guy that takes his bat and hits a pole with it or goes out in January and hits frozen balls until it breaks costs us money as well.
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I have trouble taking anyone seriously that doesn't know how many s's are in loss.
 
goldglover79

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Alot of finger pointing going on in here. When it all boils down to the person that swings a cut bat. They are the ones in the wrong and if the punishment was bad enough that in itself would remove tons of illegal bats. And the "I did not know it was altered" excuse should not count if you are caught with a cut bat in your possesion you should be banned and have to pay a fine
 
landsharklager

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All this Ban this ban that talk, having to buy new bats cause someone pissed in somebody's Wheaties...... **** that. I'll just play golf.
 
MarcTheArc

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spos21ram said:
I don't buy the voiding warranty part. Shaved bats get sent in for a warranty return all the time and the manufacturer doesn't catch it.
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Seriously ???? ALL the time ???? First time I've heard this. Name one manufacturer
 
siding88

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BIRDMAN said:
So here's the deal. Right now, the manufacturers don't mind bat doctors. This is why:
The bat docs scoop up large volumes of bats and subsequently void their warranties. So the manufacturers don't have to honor the warranties therefore they only have to shell out 1 bat per sale(as opposed to possibly 2 or 3).

When a bat is easily shaved and performs well when shaved, the bat doctors sell a lot of them, and so does the manufacturer. It's a win win. Manufacturers like bat doctors.

The problem now is that the USSSA is placing blame on the bat doctors for ruining the game. The manufacturers have no liability because their bats pass standards and have USSSA stamps. No one is losing any business because of bat shaving..they're actually gaining business.

What's going to happen(I believe) is that the various associations are going to begin holding the manufacturers liable for what they send out to the market.

I don't believe there will be any set guidelines as to what it will take to obtain a 2013 USSSA stamp. I believe it will be left up to the manufacturers to produce a bat that isn't able to be altered, or not easily altered.

If the USSSA receives 2013 stamped bats that have been altered(in larger volumes than acceptable), they will ban that particular model of bat. Plain and simple. Only bats that aren't easily shaved or rolled will be left on the market and legal for use in USSSA. If a manufacturer fails to make a tamper proof bat, and someone figures out a way to alter it, it's the manufacturers problem.

What happens next is that the manufacturers are losing money because they have to eat these bats they have produced, and will begin losing sales because their bats have been banned from a major association.

Who is to blame? Not the player, not the association, not the manufacturer...the bat doctors. What the manufacturer has now is reason to go after the bat doctors in court seeking damages for their lost sales. What was once a booming market will now be a very sketchy game of cat and mouse where anonymity is key. I don't believe you will see bat doctors advertising themselves freely on the internet, because the manufacturers will find them, and they will sue them.

Thoughts?
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it will not ever happen, when you buy a product you are allowed to do with it whatever and however you want, if someone buys the product and they use it in an association that doesnt allow shaved bats, thats the buyers problem not the BAT doctor
 
BIRDMAN

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siding88 said:
it will not ever happen, when you buy a product you are allowed to do with it whatever and however you want, if someone buys the product and they use it in an association that doesnt allow shaved bats, thats the buyers problem not the BAT doctor
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if i buy crack, i could go straight home and flush it down the toilet and never use it but does that mean the crack dealer didn't do something illegal by selling me some rock?
 
jstrong

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This is like saying that we're going to hold Budweiser accountable because someone got in a car after drinking a 12 pack and killed someone in a car wreck. Its softball, a few guys are gonna take em off the chin. Whatevs.
 
siding88

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BIRDMAN said:
if i buy crack, i could go straight home and flush it down the toilet and never use it but does that mean the crack dealer didn't do something illegal by selling me some rock?
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well first off you started with something illegal to begin with so no matter what you do with it, its illegal and federal offense,,,,,,,,,,so your waaaaay off base there,,,,,,,, buyiona bat is not illegal, shaving a bat is not illegal, using the bat is not illegal,,,,,,,,,,using it in an association with rules is illegal
 
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I think the point birdman made is getting lost, I think he said that if USSSA requires tamper proof bats to get certified (likely not the case yet as ive seen new stamped bats advertised in the lathe) then the manufacturers will react by going after the doctors because without certification they will loose money, as it is right now, birdman claims that manufacturers like the doctors which I tend to agree is true based on his logic.
 
BIRDMAN

BIRDMAN

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jstrong said:
This is like saying that we're going to hold Budweiser accountable because someone got in a car after drinking a 12 pack and killed someone in a car wreck. Its softball, a few guys are gonna take em off the chin. Whatevs.
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if the government banned Budweiser because of it you can bet they would be looking for someone to sue.
 
BIRDMAN

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sftbplyr said:
I think the point birdman made is getting lost, I think he said that if USSSA requires tamper proof bats to get certified (likely not the case yet as ive seen new stamped bats advertised in the lathe) then the manufacturers will react by going after the doctors because without certification they will loose money, as it is right now, birdman claims that manufacturers like the doctors which I tend to agree is true based on his logic.
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this. hell, i mean...it was a long post but not that long! it's amazing what happens when you read before replying.
 
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226z

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To an extent I understand the logic, but it gets lost after making a bat that's tamper proof.....precisely how is anyone going to really do that? Short of making the endcap out of composite material where there really is no endcap. Interestingly enough I have one of the very first easton composite bats ever made and it has no endcap. Since they already solved the problem of making a bat tamper proof, why do you suppose they did not stick with that design? There is some other flawed logic in all of it though, even to the point of asking why alcohol and cigarettes are basically uncontrolled, but each kills more ppl every day than any prescription med that is controlled. Believe me, there's much bigger issues in the justice of how the laws of this country work than softball bats, and they are similar arguments. Saying its illegal to begin with does not discount the point of whether or not something should be illegal or controlled/regulated to begin with...I still don't understand why leagues or associations don't just require the use of a net in front of the pitcher. Worked in our league last season...after that, might not be a bad idea to just require similarly age/skill levels of players to play in certain leagues. To me, when you think about all the options associations have for solving these problems without worrying about the bats, money has to be involved somewhere...
 
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Lol, well I guess some guys are guilty of altering even that since those stupid **** enlargement pill commercials are on tv so much these days....Funny how nobody seems to want to ban those things though...lol Maybe ASA and the other associations should start measuring penis size and testing for enlargement pills before allowing certain players to use certain bats...lol
 
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