thanks TW...its interesting how athletes manipulate the snap...as i age, I have to do two motions..i need to feel rotation pull lead arm in an arc below the ball or rotation fails..a bit of side hammer motion with wrist.., top arm and hand have to extend, throw and wrist hammer to create any power...never seemed to have to manipulate both of these so much when younger. Its so easy to get out of rotation as we age and end up swinging with only the upper body. You young guys have it made lol...no Bob, guys still like baBOOM..I tried X-plode ha