ddoubler
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Too bad that about 75-80 percent of teams and players will not actively participate in this enough for provided bat tournaments to become a sustainable product
Shaved Bats a thing of the past
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Too bad that about 75-80 percent of teams and players will not actively participate in this enough for provided bat tournaments to become a sustainable product
They're not my favorite but i won't run from them. Too few choices and stock grips.
FAT JESUS
More than likely
A good friend played in it and he told me the same
I also hate stock grips and people adding 3m spray on them but we used to play a bat provided league and it does fix a lot of problems. 400 bomb? wow man nice shot
swingnmiss
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You better get your Canadian on and translate that into Meters Frenchie!!!!
Sully
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I guess because there are so many fields, I just find it odd that one of the biggest tournaments in California doesn't test bats. Last year right after T4T, there were a few USSSA tournaments and I think one tested and the other was bat provided, maybe just bat provided.
It's bad how commonplace it's become. People used to hide the rolling and shaving, then a few people would mention it in the dugout in a whisper, now it's common knowledge and shaving is so common no one even blinks at rolling.
The funny thing is people talk about the Pros doing it. They are probably the ones that need it the least. I understand they are getting paid so results matter more, but most of those guys hit the ball hard already. I would be curious to see what the difference is between batted speed for a guy like Helmer with a broken in stock bat and a shaved bat. I guess that's the point, at that level maybe they feel like they need the extra 3 mph.
NorCal5150
Rep for GS Sports
Spot on, very few people seem to care at all anymore. That being said it sounds like the conference is making a much bigger push this year to help curb the problem. Granted thats just going to effect conference events only. But at least its a start I guess.
As far as Helmer with a well broken in stocker against a shaver. My take would be there would be zero difference as long as both bats tested the same on a compression tester. For example if the shaver is right at 220 and the stock is right at 220 I would assume they will have the same performance. Again thats just my assumption.
B-REAL09
Dont Even Trip
But wouldn't the shave bat still have more of a trampoline effect that would cause the balls to come off faster ?
Scottishheat
Yep
Doesn't help that manufacturers are making bats right on the limit. Both of my Mikens failed after 150 cuts. Sure, it's fun for league but sucks when you need a passable bat for a sanctioned tourney.
shaunt
Central CA Vinci Rep
I think it's been established that's because you hit way too hard. I bet they wouldn't fail after a 150 hits from me haha
Scottishheat
Yep
Stop it. I'm getting a softball boner.
pj3p
Senior Power Hitter :-)
There is some recent testing that proved a rolled bat will outperform [batted ball speed] a bat broken in by hitting even though they compression test the same number. The separation of layers from rolling a bat far exceeds that from just hitting at the same compression level. Soooooo, the old it just breaks in my bat quicker justification is PURE BOVINE EXCREMENT.
Scottishheat
Yep
To be honest...I don't have a big problem with shaved bats. The bats aren't the "real" issue...it's the people. For me, if you're swinging dirty it just tells me something about your character or your ego. You can't really fix people's nature. If you're a cheater, then you're a cheater - there's no way to justify it (i.e., everyone else is doing it). On top of that, I've played long enough to, typically, pick out what is dirty and what isn't. So do a bunch of ther guys. So....you're not pulling a quick one on anybody. I tell guys, go ahead and swing that shaver but both teams and a lot of guys in the stands are going to know that you're dirty. All it does it make me think less of you as a player....
Rant over
Rant over
NoNameJames
Star Player
To be honest...I don't have a big problem with shaved bats. The bats aren't the "real" issue...it's the people. For me, if you're swinging dirty it just tells me something about your character or your ego. You can't really fix people's nature. If you're a cheater, then you're a cheater - there's no way to justify it (i.e., everyone else is doing it). On top of that, I've played long enough to, typically, pick out what is dirty and what isn't. So do a bunch of ther guys. So....you're not pulling a quick one on anybody. I tell guys, go ahead and swing that shaver but both teams and a lot of guys in the stands are going to know that you're dirty. All it does it make me think less of you as a player....
Rant over
Big man has spoken. Merry Christmas brother, see you next season if there is one.
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i just laugh at guys who everyone knows swing glass
BFG sucka free power > their ***** asses
BFG sucka free power > their ***** asses
Tictac020
Addicted to BP
A lot of people initially call out someone for swinging glass....and a lot of dudes are actually just using a broken in bat.....it's mostly the try hands who aren't very good or are sore losers who scream bat checking or **** like that....a lot of times grown men just don't like the feeling of getting spanked on and mommy and daddy always telling them "they are a winner, and they can be anything they wanna be".
You must just be a Florida fan and not actually live there. If you do, I have no idea why you'd post garbage like this. I'm guessing Texas and Cali have more shaved bats than FL, but not by a lot.
Yelling check the bat also doesn't necessarily mean they think the bat is shaved. Trash talk during a game is just that. Don't confuse that for not being able to tell who swings glass the majority of the time.
Ballisttic
Star Player
Shaved bats are rampant in florida through all levels of play. In most rec leagues its not even a secret, kinda sickening knowing that someone on the other team has a bat that will hit 35-70' farther than your well broken bat.
One of my fondest memories of GA was playing a team from FL that was saying things like, you're bringing a knife to a gunfight if you don't have one to the tourney director about 5 years ago, and double dipping them with our knives for the championship. Yeah, it didn't happen every time, but it is a little sweeter when you beat them for sure.
rhound50
Rec Coed Superstar
I'm more surprised when people are swinging clean than dirty in CA. Most of the time its not even a secret
hitsone
Well-Known Member
Tictac020
Addicted to BP
I am from Indiana....most rec leagues and stuff seem legit....only some tourneys get crazy...and I only play NSA silver, and or D division or so....not an upper echelon type of player!!! Just too busy! I have been asked, I just enjoy where I am at with playing softball! I don't wanna travel that much...so I stick to local tourneys or within a 1hr drive radius....so around me the bats "SEEM" stock and nothing too fishy....
ddoubler
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It says that people cheat and are ok with it
I don't think you're thinking about it at all. It's not like people think their team will start winning all the time if the bats are cleaned up. If the better teams were cheating, they're still going to win more often than not.
I assume IN is more legit than most. NKY seems to be. They bring out totally different bats for non-compresssion testing tournies, but they just seem to be Miken that probably fail. I don't assume they're shaved. Down in FL, you'd play UTrip or something with the Classic M's and the balls would be flying out harder than our any 44 ball Outlaw tournies.
kldaugherty65
Kosair Charities
Why would the other team be hitting your team's ball?
Not to mention do you really want a shaved bat hitting a cold ball at you or your team?