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I beleive it was Donnie Meader who pitched with the Tighe Club, the other guy that pitched for Stafford was Ronnie Burns who was the best I've ever seen.
Best Legal Modified Pitchers (10 Man Style)
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donnie meader, that was it, but he's not the illegal guy I was referring to. he's just one of the guys my father said was VERY good. guess it was just the same team.
I caught Ronnie for a few years and even tho he was past his prime was still very good. I would have liked to be able to catch him in his prime.
altho he did make it difficult by not allowing the catcher to call the game. he would just throw whatever he wanted.
those little risers always made me wish I had a bigger glove, haha.
I caught Ronnie for a few years and even tho he was past his prime was still very good. I would have liked to be able to catch him in his prime.
altho he did make it difficult by not allowing the catcher to call the game. he would just throw whatever he wanted.
those little risers always made me wish I had a bigger glove, haha.
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Rick Beers from Katz and Daniels from Binghampton Ny was pretty good.
I think too much emphasis on what pitching is considered legal/illegal has killed and continues to kill men's modified and fastpitch game. Especially at the league or C tournament level. It prevents young pitchers from wanting to even bother. It is not an easy thing to take up, at least for the vast majority of would be pitchers.
as someone who grew up watching modified on the national level and then playing it myself, there real problem I see is that a certain few ASA officials let more and more go(pitching legality wise) in their home areas. Teams would go play at "regional commissioner X's" tourny and their pitcher would be legal. the same team would then go play somewhere else and the pitcher would be illegal.
naturally the team complains. after enough complaints and pressure from commissioner X the rules are changed and changed again and again and again and again to allow more and more people to pitch.
the rules are bastardized and now since anyone can pitch, it basically comes down to whoever has the biggest wallet. players are payed to play. payed to move from one state to another, 1 country to another or even 1 continent to another. I kid you not. all in the name of softball pitching.
IT IS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!
now if only commissioner X had stuck by his guns and kept the rules the same..................
.......those pitchers would have had to adjust their style to become legal, or just stop pitching.
.......the leagues would not be as pitching dominant as, lets face it, you cannot legally throw a curveball and in many casses a drop or rise(depending upon how its thrown).
......since the "elite" pitchers arent so..."elite", it encourages more teams to go to the tournys as teams feel even tho they dont have the best pitcher, they have one whos pretty good and they can compete
.....it encourages more people to try out pitching(and actually work at becoming legal) as they are not intimidated by the "i'll never be as good as that guy"
I can go on and on.
what they should have done was establish a definite set of rules and stick to them.
I dont recall if it was 1975 or 76(afterall I wasnt tehre, my dad told me) but they took the #2 pitcher from a team. took video of him and even had him come throw some for all the umpires of the modified major national to see. he was being shown as the "perfect" example of a "legal" major modified pitcher.
the very next year he was banged illegal and tossed from a game at the nationals because of it.
does this make any sense?
I've seen this man pitch. he is the epitome of legal.
I'm at a national in...2000 maybe? L&P or adco or whatever team Greg Leather was running at the time wins. think Reggie was MVP.
anyway, the pitcher i mentioned a few posts back, the big illegal lefty....he literally threw sidearm, but because you could see daylight between his legs at all times, he was deemed legal. basically what the rules had become(and confirmed by me, a catcher at this national) was you, as a pitcher could do whatever you wanted aslong as the ump could always see daylight between your legs and you threw underhanded
comical to say the least
I think I've gone off target here, I'm dont ranting for now. just gets me upset that modified softball is dying because pitchers are being allowed to do whatever they want and to a slightly lesser degree, some teams have MONSTER sized bankrolls
and just to add..
sling isnt the problem. Ralph Miscione was a sling pitcher but he was legal(only pitcher in ASA modified hall of fame). he kept his hips square and his wrist locked and tight to his body.
its just the sling pitchers of today are nowhere near square, the wrists are ****ed and turned 10 different ways and are at times a foot or more off the hip.
its basically windmill without the jump
sling isnt the problem. Ralph Miscione was a sling pitcher but he was legal(only pitcher in ASA modified hall of fame). he kept his hips square and his wrist locked and tight to his body.
its just the sling pitchers of today are nowhere near square, the wrists are ****ed and turned 10 different ways and are at times a foot or more off the hip.
its basically windmill without the jump
just moonshots!
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what exactly is modified 10 man?? i played fp but havent played or head of 10 man modified in my area...
I'm going to assume you know what modified is.
10man is the same as 9man just with (usually)stricter pitching rules and a 10th player in the field.
Well again the problem might lie in the fact that there are so many versions of "non"-slowpitch softball. You have modified 10 man "bowling motion", you have slingshot 9 or 10 man, you have windmill and then you have concoctions of all three.
Personally, I am a proponent of full windmill I think it is a more natural motion and I think why not make the sport as challenging to the hitter as possible. If your from up north/closer to canada that is what is played. I know down state/NJ it is variations of modified that are more popular.
But even with windmill you get things like can you crow hop or not. So it is essentially the same argument. The ISF just implemented such a new rule that essentially banned crow hoping to the point were the undisputed top Mens windmill pitcher in the world, Adam Folkard withdrew from international competition rather than be called out about it during a game.
I am just always going to tend to side from the pitcher. But I will say it must suck to try to hit a 6'4" jacked up pitcher that is hopping 10 feet off the rubber and essentially throwing an 85mph heater from 35 feet away, like Folkard has been known to do...
Personally, I am a proponent of full windmill I think it is a more natural motion and I think why not make the sport as challenging to the hitter as possible. If your from up north/closer to canada that is what is played. I know down state/NJ it is variations of modified that are more popular.
But even with windmill you get things like can you crow hop or not. So it is essentially the same argument. The ISF just implemented such a new rule that essentially banned crow hoping to the point were the undisputed top Mens windmill pitcher in the world, Adam Folkard withdrew from international competition rather than be called out about it during a game.
I am just always going to tend to side from the pitcher. But I will say it must suck to try to hit a 6'4" jacked up pitcher that is hopping 10 feet off the rubber and essentially throwing an 85mph heater from 35 feet away, like Folkard has been known to do...
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I was responding about a question on how to get someone in the HOF, not debating if Gary was legal. Nobody can deny that Gary was an All American 7 times so obviously he was not deemed illegal very often in National play. We can debate if that was a good thing or not but the fact remains he was the most successful pitcher in this history of modified and clearly belongs in the HOF.
think there is a thread in this subforum listing all the modified tournys.
I agree that the unclarity of what was legal/illegal contributed to the reduction in modified teams, however I don't think it was a big deterrent from preventing younger pitchers from trying to throw. I think a big factor that deterred younger players from toeing the robber is the increasing technology of the bats and balls. Young guys just don't want to step on the mound in fear of being hit with a line drive. The bats nowadays are ridiculous in combination with the high compression balls that are used in most tournaments. ASA has done a good job at changing the bat testing standards and making it known what bats are illegal, but if you look at when they implemented the new rules, I think there is a strong correlation to the team count reduction. Take into account that every jackwagon out there wants to hit the ball 400 feet, doesn't want to toe the rubber and new restrictions = a downturn in the game. That's why slowpitch is so big in this country. Less restrictions and every jackwagon can feed his ego and hit a ball 400 feet with juiced balls and bats. Just my $0.02.
Anyways, this thread was started to discuss who is the best modified pitchers out there. 10 man is a good fair game. Pitching for the most part can't dominate a game. You have to have timely hitting, play good defense and have a decent pitcher to be competitive. Any team can win on any given day.
Anyways, this thread was started to discuss who is the best modified pitchers out there. 10 man is a good fair game. Pitching for the most part can't dominate a game. You have to have timely hitting, play good defense and have a decent pitcher to be competitive. Any team can win on any given day.
If you are on the East Coast
Check the list for the Middletown and Monticello NY tourneys
That's the upper tier.
Good luck.
Check the list for the Middletown and Monticello NY tourneys
That's the upper tier.
Good luck.
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I would argue that Todd Albrecht (also known as Odie) is as legal as they get. I can think of only one National Tournament in the last 5-10 years where he has been called illegal, and that was on his home field in Fon du Lac in 2009.
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That's what I am hoping. Yes.
Agreed. Odie is definitely one of the better active legal modified pitchers in the country. I also agree that he knows when he can get away with opening it up a little bit, but all good pitchers will tell you they do the same thing.
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I agree with the Beers guy from Kats, but didn't he "sling" it?