MLB 2018: The Yankees buy a championship off of Amazon

[3XC]

since 1999 12 NFL teams have won the super bowl

11 MLB teams have won the world series

since 1999 5 teams have won the super bowl multiple times

4 MLB teams have won the world series multiple times

And? If there are dynasties in the NFL, they're drafted. Not bought. Why don't quarterbacks change teams? Why didn't Brady, Rodgers, etc. test the FA waters? For that matter, how does a team based in Green Bay sign Rodgers and compete?

I know the answers. You do too.

 

[ntz]

there have been the same number of single time championship winning teams since 1998 in the NFL as MLB

 

[ntz]

since there are numbers involved and not just conjecture i don't expect you to read this especially since it doesn't help your premise but MLB and NFL have almost the exact same parity

http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2016/12/which-sports-league-has-the-most-parity/

 

[AydenB00]

Boston has the highest payroll in baseball and its top 4 highest paid players are all mercenary signings, a small number of wealthy teams compete and a larger numbers of teams do not, and cannot, participate in the elite FA market.

Harper and Machado ain't going to San Diego, you know it, I know it, everyone ****ing knows it. Come at me sucking your thumb with "What percentage" bull****. Here's what percentage of Yankees fans would stick by the team if they had a decade of sub .500 baseball = 0.0001%.

most if not all dudes arguments are stupid as hell but this has got to top them all........we get it , you're a bitter ***** when your team doesnt win

 

[AydenB00]

Apples and oranges my dude. Its a misleading argument to say salary in the NFL drives success. Marquee quarterbacks almost never change teams. Peyton changing teams late in his career was wild. And of course, Denver went to 2 Super Bowls, winning one. How many would they have gone to without Peyton? Rhetorical question.

In the NFL its about the draft, a fair system with no lottery or bull**** involved, and no baseball multiple-pool auction system where, again, rich teams can go after Cuban and Japanese studs and poor teams cannot. Boston can **** around and pay a Japanese pro a 50 million dollar posting fee, a one time fee on a speculative whim. Its laughably uncompetitive. The on-field success is bought. Period.

and this gets about as stupid as is gets, lets see how many countries actually play 'AMERICAN FOOTBALL". lot of foreign talent out there theses days to go after. whats the % of foreign people playing for an NFL team these days

 

[3XC]

nfl parity is a myth, one that rodger godell keeps pushing, it's simply not the case.

Correct, there are good teams and bad teams, but the bad teams are wholly able to compete and acquire players via the exact same mechanisms as everyone else. There is no outside draft where pro level talent is literally auctioned off to the wealthy teams. There is no mass exodus of franchise players from Tampa and Jacksonville to New York and LA. The teams that suck consistently are drafting poorly, replacing QBs over and over again, and mismanaging their rosters. The teams that win draft franchise stud QBs, find value late in the draft, and develop talent.


Baseball lacks parity because its a rich man/poor man league. The NFL lacks parity due to the scarcity of talent at the QB position.

 

[3XC]

since there are numbers involved and not just conjecture i don't expect you to read this especially since it doesn't help your premise but MLB and NFL have almost the exact same parity

http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/2016/12/which-sports-league-has-the-most-parity/

Without reading it, does it delve into the 'why' question at all?

Baseball has 5 man rotations, no reason some teams can hoard starters and others sell them off. The buyer/seller dichotomy in baseball doesn't exist in the NFL. The Colts are not going to trade Andrew Luck mid-season.

 

[3XC]

there have been the same number of single time championship winning teams since 1998 in the NFL as MLB

Irrelevant, titles aren't bought in the NFL, and a 20-30% payroll spread is insignificant compared to a 15-20x spread where one team's entire payroll is less than that of a single player. I don't know how this is difficult for you to grasp.

 

[ntz]

you're making the assumption that "buying" something is inherently bad, which is an appeal to emotion, your own, not one based in fact

 

[Country469]

The NFL money aint assured like everywhere else, its a much injury bets as anything

 

[3XC]

you're making the assumption that "buying" something is inherently bad, which is an appeal to emotion, your own, not one based in fact

Team A having a payroll 20 times larger than team B is indefensible, despite the sorcery you're trying to bring forth to defend the big market clubs. It's an ongoing problem that is exacerbated by Japan's posting system and the emergence of a second, parallel auction style system to acquire extremely talented players. The right to "negotiate" (read: sign) a NPB player is literally bought, with cash, outside of the amateur draft, and outside of any sort of international scouting system.

All the selective numbers Stretch can concoct or red herrings you post about how many NFL teams have won a championship mean nothing when the plain truth is, in MLB, wins are bought. I have read every single reply to my contention and none of them have provided a whit of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Country469]

the whole idea of WAR is brought to you buy buying players

 

[Stretch19]

ive told you like 6 times now there was no 'selective numbers' it was simply a sample sized that mirrored the payroll data from that list...yet here you are, still harping on that ****

 

[ntz]

this whole exchange is a lesson in logical fallacies and how sports turn the most ardent capitalists into fervent socialists based on their own feelings.

 

[3XC]

Shohei Otani was literally bought with cash outside the draft. I mean, the **** is this? Small market teams have to compete in the amateur draft, scout latin america against everyone else, develop their minor league coaching system to develop their guys, and some wealthy big city club can just buy Babe Ruth, and they're not even allowed to talk to him because they didn't pay 50 mil to do so?

And you ****ing self-fellating assholes are defending this?

 

[3XC]

this whole exchange is a lesson in logical fallacies and how sports turn the most ardent capitalists into fervent socialists based on their own feelings.

So its my "feelings" and not objective reality now.

Cubs payroll 169 million more than Tampas. Not a feeling.
Otani bought with cash. Not a feeling.

In fact, my argument is based wholly on numbers, and yours is predicated on "nuht uh."

 

[Country469]

the MLB been whack tho. The same league who shook its fist about roids gave all 0 doll hairs back from that age. The juice ball era. Yeah it was both profitable and needed to save face after the strike. But yeah, bad players for cheating. **** the MLB

 

[ntz]

your feelings are that it's bad, or wrong, or something.

 

[3XC]

ive told you like 6 times now there was no 'selective numbers' it was simply a sample sized that mirrored the payroll data from that list...yet here you are, still harping on that ****

If only there was more than one single point of payroll information online. Shame you have that bronze package internet that only allows access to that one site with the figures you like.

 

[3XC]

you're feelings are that it's bad, or wrong, or something.

The idea of a level playing field bothers you, evidently.

 

[ntz]

sports isn't fair, life isn't fair.

 

[Stretch19]

If only there was more than one single point of payroll information online. Shame you have that bronze package internet that only allows access to that one site with the figures you like.

2010 mlb champ giants: 10th highest payroll
2009 mlb champ yankees: 1st highest payroll
2008 mlb champ phillies: 12th highest payroll
2007 mlb champ red sox: 2nd highest payroll
2006 mlb champ cardinals: 11th highest payroll
2005 mlb champ white sox: 13th highest payroll
2004 mlb champ redsox: 2nd highest payroll
2003 mlb champ marlins: 25th highest payroll
2002 mlb champ angels: 15th highest payroll
2001 mlb champ diamondbacks: 8th highest payroll
2000: mlb champ yankees: 1st highest payroll

there you go, 11 more years of selective numbers...yet again, of those 11 championships:

-6 of 11 were 10th or lower payrolls
-7 of 11 were outside the top half dozen

 

[Stretch19]

so in conclusion, yes the teams who spend the most money will have the best shot year in and year out of being successful

with that being said, spending a bunch of money doesnt always equate to winning ships or being competitive and you are certainly not excluded from the equation just cause you arent willing to spend a bunch of damn money

 

[Country469]

I'm just shocked he hasn't turned this into something about himself, and how a team full of nissan sentra's would get a title every 10 years and thats what cities deserve.

 

[3XC]

so in conclusion, yes the teams who spend the most money will have the best shot year in and year out of being successful

with that being said, spending a bunch of money doesnt always equate to winning ships or being competitive and you are certainly not excluded from the equation just cause you arent willing to spend a bunch of damn money

One team in the bottom half of payroll won, and in that year they had a rental Ivan Rodriguez and a LOT of young pitchers having a year. Brad Penny, Dontrelle Willis, and of course Josh Beckett having a postseason for the ages.

So that's one case of lightning in a bottle, cool story. Disproves nothing, and saying "spending a bunch of money doesn't equate to winning ships" is intentionally misleading. Only ONE team per season wins a title, if its the #4 team instead of #1 you can spin your silly narrative. Fact is, half of MLB is non competitive before the season even starts.

 

[Country469]

 

[bndawgs]

One team in the bottom half of payroll won, and in that year they had a rental Ivan Rodriguez and a LOT of young pitchers having a year. Brad Penny, Dontrelle Willis, and of course Josh Beckett having a postseason for the ages.

So that's one case of lightning in a bottle, cool story. Disproves nothing, and saying "spending a bunch of money doesn't equate to winning ships" is intentionally misleading. Only ONE team per season wins a title, if its the #4 team instead of #1 you can spin your silly narrative. Fact is, half of MLB is non competitive before the season even starts.

you're leaving out the part that the majority of the non-competitive teams are basically tanking their seasons in order to get better draft picks and signing pool money.

 

[3XC]

you're leaving out the part that the majority of the non-competitive teams are basically tanking their seasons in order to get better draft picks and signing pool money.

What does that have to do with team salary, at all? The teams with low payrolls lose and lose consistently year over year, because of the inability to pay free agent talent. You're talking about the draft like amateurs become productive pros out of the gate like in the NFL and NBA, when that is almost never the case in baseball. Altuve signed at 16, he wasn't in the majors for 5 years, the **** does "draft order" have to do with anything? I swear to Christ you're better off not posting.

 

[Country469]

Jurickson Profar was getting paid right outa the LLWS

 

[Stretch19]

i didnt realize willis was as big as he was...i mean, i knew he was a big guy when he played and all, but seeing him on the pre game show and stuff this post season, that ****er is big

like hes bigger than A Rod and Papi by a lot and was damn near the size of frank thomas