What is the deal with the Monsta Bats?
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Sbrazel21
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"EXCEPTION: Easton bats added to ASA/USA’s Non-Approved List with Certification Marks in 2016 are legal in EMASS WEEKDAY DIVISION ONLY. These are the following models: SCN1, SCN11BH, SCN1B, SCN2B, SCN3, SCN4B, SCN5, SCN5B, SCN6B, SCN7, SCN7B, SCN8, SCN8B, SCN9, SCX14, SCX14B, SCX24B, and SCX3."
Apparently one of the commissioners must have a stockpile of old Synergys.
Hopefully in 12 years when I'm ready for Senior ball, all these Yahoos that create arbitrary rules will be retired.
Apparently one of the commissioners must have a stockpile of old Synergys.
Hopefully in 12 years when I'm ready for Senior ball, all these Yahoos that create arbitrary rules will be retired.
Country469
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I get a kick out of sr anything using better equipment than normal.......if anything you slow the game down for the slower players. Who needs to hit 44 500s and 1.21s when the of'ers all are slower and have knee issues like cray
Bobby Buggs
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If yer using 52-300s I say allow any bats. That ball is the true equalizer
kratos1981
Active Member
So they ban a certain bat because it exceeds speeds but don't do any compression testing. So if someone wanted to they could use a shaved bat and nobody would know. A used Demarini is going to be just as hot as anything out there if not considerably better.
Country469
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all bats are used after they hit a ball
MarlSrSoftball
Into Semi-Retirement Still activebut not League
Your right. To make it more senseless is we allow those Easton's during the week but you can't use them on Sat because we use ASA umps on Sat.
hitless45
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Imo it is a sensible move on LD's part as well all know that the only thing that is illegal about those Easton on the list is the fact that Easton themselves ask to have them put on the list cause of lack of sales imo of their recent,current bats, most of those bats are not quite as hot as these bats mentioned unless of course they have 1000's of swings on them..
I found it amusing watching the video on the front page of bat company that we speak of, most if not all the guys on that team have very crappie swings hitting hr's on just about every at bat, so I can see why some leagues /umps would go out and do so (ban/remove)a bat from play (at their discretion) and allow old Easton stuff during leagues but not allow them on Saturdays (sanctioned tourney)..ijs
Sully
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I get your logic, but that is assuming most LD's have that level of knowledge about bats. Most I've been around don't. It would seem easier to me to just compare the bats to a list that is already published for you rather than ban some bats and allow others that deviate from the list. I'm pretty sure USA Softball does a better job testing bats than whatever league this is. Let them do the work for you. Any of said Eastons that are still around wouldn't even come close to passing compression today. So it makes sense for Easton and USA Softball.
Country469
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Most of your actual League Directors are city/county/municipality employees and don't have a whole lot of softball equipment background. They really need to rely on the extensive testing done. I hate monsta, don't get me wrong, but if mosta passes the tests and pays its fee to be a USA licensed and legal product its BS they can't be used.
Country469
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If I was a director my league would only hit evil balls so I could profit from it immensely imo
sleepin4matty
Management Material
I used to play in one of those leagues. They said it was because people were painting Ultras
Country469
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if its a sanctioned tourney directors cannot do that lol
TWmccoy
3DX Connoisseur
I can't do it either. I see Monstas at games occasionally. Its 300'. I'll use my Eastons. I almost equate Monstas with "cheater bats". They're not even fun to swing and it takes no skill to hit balls hard with it. What's the point?
The leagues I umpire don't ban Monstas, but I still don't see any of them. Besides, local CO rec league guys aren't going to go through all the crap or take the time/money to buy a Monsta. Those types of guys want a bat cheap and they want it now. Not some damn preorder that they might get in 6 months.
I believe your theory is ridiculous and baseless. Independent Labs found several pre-abi Eastons that exceeded the association standards after enough hits. This is a proven fact, unlike your completely baseless assumption about their Nationwide sales figures.
TWmccoy
3DX Connoisseur
This is true. Trying to reason with a league director is like speaking to someone in a foreign language they don't understand. These people usually have no softball background and are in charge of any number of adult sports. Softball to them is simply another division. They make their own rules with little regard for common sense or what players actually want in a league.
Any GOOD league director will meet with players and discuss rules from time to time, or better yet, learn about softball enough to keep their rule sets current and fair.
Any person who doesn't play softball will generally not have any idea how to run leagues effectively. Hence, you get these bizarre bat rules. A few leagues here banned Mikens for about 15 years before common sense finally prevailed and now they're allowed. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to how things are done by these people. They get ideas in their head, and convincing them to do anything outside the box is nearly impossible.
hitless45
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Everyone has their opinion..
Older Easton are/were tanks and while some with thousands of hit may or may not pass comp test imo it is safe to say that not every single one if those bats would not pass and again (imo) it is safe to say Easton just crapped in everyone that had perfectly good bats cause (imo) they can't sell their product at msrp..
I'm not stating opinion, I'm stating a fact, and I didn't say anything about failing compression. They didn't pass the 98 mph bbs test. That's a little different than failing compression whether you want to "feel" that it is it not.
Easton sells the same number of bats retail now as they did on those models that were banned. Extended were $99 before people figured out what they really were. Easton has never minded flooding the market .
Easton sells the same number of bats retail now as they did on those models that were banned. Extended were $99 before people figured out what they really were. Easton has never minded flooding the market .
Country469
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I think the ridiculous after market prices on them tipped it off so bad they had to move. The market said theses were better than they really were in reality. Sometimes the hype doesn't help a manuf. But I 100% agree there are other pre abi bats that can break in over the limit too that got ignored for some reason.
sleepin4matty
Management Material
It's the bats being over the limit for so long that made it obvious. No other manufacturer made bats that lasted 10-20,000 swings in that era
Sully
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This right here. Most of the bats that would exceed the limit aren't still around. Those bats are 12 years old. There were just a few bats from that time frame that were hot (once you go them broken in) and wouldn't break. That's a unicorn now. Most of the other bats from that era that would exceed the limit broke years ago.
These Eastons wouldn't even be considered awesome today because there are only like 12 people who would take the 1000 swings to break it all the way in before they gave up and sold it or traded it for something hotter out of the wrapper.