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I got picked up for ASA State in Rochester
wildthing81
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Utrip in died the second the USSSA or MRPA named the women who didnt know a thing about softball in charge of its product in MN. You have to be visible, you have to be approachable and you have to be knowledgeable and lastly you need to put on a good product. USSSA does not of that with the current leader. Dan does a fantastic job for ASA, promoting it, being visible, answering questions. Dan was at B nationals last year checking bats, came over to our field to help the umps sort out a 10 minute session to make a call, heck he even stopped in the dugout and we chatted for a bit. It makes all the different. The effort ASA/Dan and organizers but into the events for ASA is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more then done for UTRIP other then the dudley....maybe frolics....Brownie should have been the choice for USSSA in my opinion or some sort of joint venture with PHEFF.
----The Beef I have always had with the frolics is this, they govern by their own set of rules, your approved by USSSA great, your not approved for the frolics. Case and point, anyone who knows my brother (beaver) knows hes not a conference player, my conference team a few years back needed a cheap back up outfielder for a couple tournys. He played ASA with the Key Guys and they were playing in the frolics, USSSA Mn director approved my bro to play on his normal team for the frolics, they were playing C or Open, Frolics and who ever was in charge of roster management ( Kenny, Wanda, Whoever) denied him citing their own rules over utrip. I also had approval to play from the MN utrip director at the time and was turned away by the frolics. This is just one example, there are plenty out there. Just too many examples where UTrip has put on a bad product, put off the customer or just doesnt even give the appearance they care. Fine I've played UTRIP all my adult life basically, Conference USSSA for 4 years and Id rather play ASA at this point in Minnesota.
In defense of Lacelle, she's been at every single UTrip tournament I've played at and has been actively involved and is super easy to find and talk to and resolve things with.
The Frolics thing isn't something MNRPA/USSSA can control as far as I know so it seems a little unfair to blame Lacelle for something she can't control.
Yoke
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Wish Rochester would have worked for us. I like playing down there a lot.
Chembry
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What does everyone think of the Twins move picking up Dyson? I think it's a solid move. Personally I wish we would have added another starter. Houston now has Verlander, Cole, and Greinke...probably the best 1,2,3 in baseball and they picked up Aaron Sanchez as well. They are going to be tough to beat.
Maximus Decimus
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I stopped spending money on the Twins 3 years ago. I wish more people would. It's a scam, they have no intentions of winning. Payroll keeps getting lower.
Yoke
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I wish they would have gotten a starter, but I like this Dyson trade.
Astros are going to win it all. Twins have asked about Grienke, I read, but he wouldn’t waive his no trade to come here. Would have been expensive, but worth it.
Maximus Decimus
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The Stroman deal is what pissed me off. All of the media said it was joke that we couldn't beat the Mets offer.
Chembry
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That pissed me off as well. According to LaVelle the Toronto said any trade for Stroman would have to include Lewis and Kirilloff, both in baseball’s top 100 prospects, then traded him to the Mets for two prospects not in baseball’s top 100? Wtf...not even in the Mets top 10 prospects. We could have hands down beat the Mets offer. Just a question whether we were willing to part with what they were asking.
Chembry
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The Dyson deal was a very good trade. Especially with what we have up. I just don’t think it was enough to get out of the ALDS, if we make it there. We know the Twins pushed hard for Thor and MadBum. Asking price was ridiculously high for Thor. They wanted Buxton plus Lewis or Kirilloff.
I like the Dyson move. Biggest weakness for the Twins was the bullpen. They added two guys who are very good relievers and have been extremely tough in right handed hitters. The Yankees and Astros are loaded with right handed hitters.
The Astros rotation looks incredible, obviously. But the 2014 Tigers had Verlander, Max Scherzer, and David Price. Everyone thought that rotation would win them a World Series. They got swept out of the ALDS. The playoffs are a different animal. Never know what's going to happen.
Yoke
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I would have been alright with Lewis and other parts, but not Buxton at all. Kirilloff is going to rake, too. They have a lot of depth in the minors that could have been traded, but teams like the Mets and Cincinnati are pretending like they're still in it, and are screwing everything up.
Like Beauner said, once you get into the playoffs, who knows what's going to happen. The Dyson trade is good because we'll have him next year, too.
I think he was talking the State Director, not Lacelle. It seems like Lacelle is trying.
Chembry
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The Dyson move was great! Only time will tell if it was enough.
The Mets definitely screwed up this years deadline. From what I have watched, they think they will contend next year which is why they traded for Stroman. They stole him! Two mid-level prospects for a number 1/2 starter... Wish people would stop complaining that we didn't get Greinke. We never would. The Twins and 14 other teams were on his no trade list. Thankfully Cleveland didn't get him because they weren't on his list. All we can do now is let the season play out.
Maximus Decimus
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Yoke
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Might as well skip it and just go with the one Harvest Fest bracket.
Is C Utrip state still a thing?
From what I heard, they were having the C teams play Open State then doing a "C" only bracket on Sunday. So basically two tournaments in one for the "C" teams. Not sure if that's what they went with, but it was talked about last week when we were exploring playing in it.
Scunions22
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USA open state- Ts
USA D South- Culvers
Hanover C- Stagecoach
Hanover D- Heat
USSSSA C State-
Conference- TDB
USA D South- Culvers
Hanover C- Stagecoach
Hanover D- Heat
USSSSA C State-
Conference- TDB
wildthing81
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The Frolic's beef was a response to selfie high five and the lack of open teams in the frolics. My gripes with the Frolics are pretty common with open teams/players. The tourney has been run sub-par for a few years, anything that has Kenny involved is take at your own risk. The our rules over USSSA is a joke and now Becker fields are gone. Is what it is, wasnt a swipe at the MN State Director for utrip. As for Utrip C and above its non-existent, I dont think you can compare where ASA C above is vs Utrip C and above, just my .02
I agree. It sucks that Frolics open was ruined. Kenny doesn't do the tournament any favors.
I mentioned the state director because your comment about hiring someone with little softball experience/knowledge (too lazy to look back for wording). Beauner mentioned Lacelle. I just wanted to point out you were referencing the director, not Lacelle.
I'll shut up now. Good day.
thelastsamurai
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Yeah last years panoprog was understandable for sure. I was talking about maybe 5 years ago. We were eagle trace an asa c team that had never really played usssa, we were bumped to asa c the year before with a top 5 finish at state. Seemed to be a combo of Bloomington’s league director had just left and Bloomington is a dual sanctioned league. And then Lucero and others complained about us because we were asa c, then Fenske’s and Whitney’s team were kicked out then they bitched about us still in. I think they had a usssa b player though? Anyway it was a little bit of a sh$t show, and we were disappointed.
StinkyCheeks
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Hanover C is a Sunday Only. 8 teams were in. Really wish Harvest would just go back to an open tourney. 1 big bracket like 30 teams. That was always fun to watch.
